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Tuesday, February 21, 2012

"Bombing His Own People." Really?

Evidence and Over-Acitivist Imaginations
August 1/2, 2011
last edits Nov. 22
bumped Feb. 21, 2012, for app. one-year anniversary

There has been virtually no Libyan Air Force presence over Libya's own territory since the March imposition of a no-fly zone and swift enforcement of it by NATO. Just how much aerial bombardment there was prior to that, and of what kind, is the matter of some deabte.

The pre-no-fly period can be further broken into two main segments. The first is late February, the 16th to about the 25th, when the rebellion is generally understood (incorrectly) to have been strictly protest oriented and peaceful. The other span is after cities had fallen, starting Feb 19 really, but only a solid fact to respond to by the last days. By then, no one could reasonably deny the government's opponents were armed bligerents to be called "rebels" or "freedom fighters," not "protesters."

It's the earlier reports of bombing simple protesters that had the shocking effect on world conscience driving intervention, especially in the skies NATO would seize to bomb Libya. These came in quick, in a rapid burst from Feb. 21-23, and then stopped.

Supporting evidence beyond the flimsy early reports never surfaced. We saw no videos of jets over head, let alone of bombs falling from them. There are no photos of craters in the streets, or of homes or anything flattened by these attacks. Remains of the exploded bombs, or any unexploded ones, never surfaced. No victims among the hundreds claimed have ever been shown or named.

The only evidence is as follows:

Videos from Labraq Airport:
Der Spiegel reported on Feb. 26 about "the first solid proof that the dictator's regime had bombed his own people." This they cited an activist's "shaky" videos of the Feb 18-20 battle for Labraq airport, near al Baida. Among other things, this footage was said to show "a Libyan fighter jet roaring over al-Baida and dropping a bomb not far from the airport," itself not clearly against protesters, but there was also "a helicopter shooting into the mass of people."

The video was said, by Der Spiegel, to have been posted all over the Internet, but as I said there, I cannot find it now, nor any other allusion to it. It seems likely this claim of widespread dissemination - or the content of said videos - was just a miscommunication.

Orders to Bomb Benghazi
The most high-value moment that really made an impression on the world community, and shaped the coming "no-fly zone," was when pilots defected to the rebel side and claimed they were ordered to bomb innocent people. It happened twice in a three day span.

As I've written about elsewhere, two Libyan pilots in their single-seater Mirage jets defected and landed on Malta February 21. They didn't just land quietly either, but swooped around in an air-show manner to draw attention prior to landing, a witness tells me (see the link). They claimed they'd been ordered, at least as Reuters put it, citing Maltese officials, "ordered to bomb anti-government protesters in Libya's second largest city of Benghazi."

Benghazi had just the day before fallen under rebel control, in a military sense. So even if the order was true, it's not obvious why the government would be interested in killing those still only protesting, rather than the heavily armed and ruthless gangs declaring war on the government.

But we don't know for sure the order, or even a more legitimate version of it, was ever truly given. We have only the word of those two pilots. They remain unnamed, but were both reportedly high-ranking colonels, not unlike their fellow Air Force colonel Abdullah Gehani, arrested by the Libyan government a couple of weeks earlier on suspicion of helping set up some kind of overthrow with French involvement (see here).

The defecting colonels also seemed to be - possibly - escorting two helicopters ferrying undocumented, mysterious Frenchmen who arrived on Malta just before them. One set of craft escaping from Benghazi without clearance, the others allegedly sent to Benghazi but veering off without clearance, both meeting up on Malta. Hmmm...

Strange as it this alleged order was, two days later came confirmation of the charge. Two more Libyan air force pilots ejected from and ditched their two-seater SU-22 jet near Ajdabiya. They landed and surrendered to the rebels, claiming they too were ordered to bomb Benghazi but just couldn't follow through. News 24, Libya pilot rejects orders, crashes plane:
Tripoli - A fighter pilot disobeyed orders on Wednesday to bomb the opposition stronghold of Benghazi and ditched his plane after he and his co-pilot ejected, a Libyan newspaper reported on its website.

The Russian-made Sukhoi 22 crashed near Ajdabiya, 160km west of the city which has fallen to anti-regime protesters, a military source said, quoted in Quryna newspaper.

"Pilot Abdessalam Attiyah al-Abdali and co-pilot Ali Omar al-Kadhafi ejected with parachutes after refusing orders to bomb the city of Benghazi."
On the co-pilot, there is a variant story where the pilot refused and al-Kadhafi (Gaddafi - of the ruler's tribe) pulled a gun on him to continue, but he ejected anyway, the rat had to follow suit, and was then arrested and put in prison. See comments below for more details.

So, to summarize: three jets were allegedly sent to the rebel capitol to kill protesters only. Four pilots, two missions, all aborted by the pilots, none carried out. Both the puny alleged attempts and the near-universal rejection of them reflected poorly on the regime, whose orders no one seemed to follow anymore. And their 0% success rate might explain why they stopped allegedly trying to bomb Benghazi just three days after it fell.

Ammunitions Depots, Not Protesters
Successful air-strikes in rebel-held areas were nonetheless implied in a February 22 interview with Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi. The leader's son told Christiane Amanpour that the military had not attacked Libya civilians. "Show me a single attack, show me a single bomb. The Libyan air force destroyed just the ammunition sites. That's it." he said." [source]

Again, no one has shown him or anyone the evidence that any bombs were dropped on protesters as opposed to raid-worthy ammo dumps and possibly other fully military targets the "protesters" had already stolen.

Aerial Bombing of Tripoli Neighborhoods
While the government failed to bomb actual enemy fighters or civilians in the east, there were contemporaneous claims of successful attacks on their own capitol city to snuff out the relatively small violent protests that had started there. At first, I thought it came down to a single bold claim by one Adel Mohamed Saleh, a "political activist", to al Jazeera. It was translated and reported by Reuters, filed 1:43 PM EST (6:43 GMT).
What we are witnessing today is unimaginable. Warplanes and helicopters are indiscriminately bombing one area after another. There are many, many dead. Our people are dying. It is the policy of scorched earth. Every 20 minutes they are bombing. It is continuing, it is continuing. Anyone who moves, even if they are in their car they will hit you.
"There was no independent verification of the report," Reuters noted, and in fact the evidence suggests he didn't witness any of that at all. Another message of the day, via Twitter (See here and/or here), said:
sultanalgassemi: Al Jazeera breaking Multiple reports confirm that military airplanes are bombing protesters in Tripoli.

The rulers in Libya have cut off most international communications, but Al Jazeera is broadcasting ways that their jammed TV feed can be picked up, other agencies are offering land lines so that Tweets can be passed on to the world.
Multiple reports? Indeed. Another Tripoli witness came out in support of the activist Saleh who spoke to al Jazeera. This time it came in via al Jazeera, from "Soula al-Balaazi, who said he was an opposition activist." As Reuters again translated, filed actually before the other report (5:11 PM GMT, one hour, 32 minutes before).
Military aircraft attacked crowds of anti-government protesters in the Libyan capital Tripoli on Monday, Al Jazeera television said.

A Libyan man, Soula al-Balaazi, who said he was an opposition activist, told the network by telephone that Libyan air force warplanes had bombed "some locations in Tripoli". He said he was talking from a suburb of Tripoli.
Again, "no independent verification of the report was immediately available," said Reuters. But a while later there would be, and the second time, that same statement wasn't true. Or were they suggesting these two were not independent reports? One way or another, they probably weren't.

A Version by Sea
Possibly related is a similar accusation of insane naval bombardment of Tripoli on the 21st. This time, it was an activist, named Salem Gnan, "a London-based spokesman for the National Front for the Salvation of Libya," speaking to the UK Guardian (I presume) and reported at 5:07 PM GMT - four minutes before al-Balaazi and 96 minutes before Mr. Saleh.

Gnan said eyewitnesses in Tripoli told him the navy ships were firing into one part of the capital, on the outskirts. "Many people have been killed," he said, and added that "[Gaddafi's] plan is to use absolutely everything he can to stop what is happening." But there's no mention from these witnesses of jets - which Gaddafi had - dropping anything. (See here for more on Mr. Gnan and theNFSL - he would also be the only source to allege bombing - by planes - of nearby az Zawiyah on the 24th.)

Both versions of the attack of Feb 21 share multiple deadly explosions across town, but differ on what was happening in the sky. And they all three came in over a span of about an hour and a half. Quite strange. My guess is this: something blew up loudly at about 5:05 PM, heard by many people who would be left wondering what it was. This triggered the first two dramatic guesses what it was. Then Mr. Saleh thought for a bit before he decided to "corroborate" and expand the airplanes version with his over-activist imagination. Thus "multiple reports" can sometimes be born.

What it Meant
If not the evidence, the implications were certainly clear. As Reuters reported (the second one cited here), citing a total genius:
An analyst for London-based consultancy Control Risks said the use of military aircraft on his own people indicated the end was approaching for Muammar Gaddafi. "These really seem to be last, desperate acts. If you're bombing your own capital, it's really hard to see how you can survive, " said Julien Barnes-Dacey, Control Risks' Middle East analyst.
Just like ordering protesters shot, running to Venezuela, hiring mercenaries, resorting to mass rape, sniping children dead, and so on. All of these and more fantasies yet strongly hint to to us that Gaddafi is over. It's been said worldwide, daily, for over five months now. Each time, the big "if" was the big problem.

It wasn't a problem for whoever made this image, seen at libya-watanona.com.
Never mind the dramatic relevance of this parallel for the grinding down of Sirte, October 2011, it's rather telling that in the absence of a single damn photograph, rebel supporters had to rely on a 74-year-old painting to get their point across.

Video Evidence from Tripoli
There are videos from Tripoli claiming to show the aftermath of these air attacks. By one of these I've seen, but didn't save and cannot re-locate, we might have been seeing the effects, over a whole neighborhood, of some type of bomb that sprays graffiti, burns out a few buildings, and drags junk across the street. Does such a weapon exist, and is Gaddafi known to have acquired them?

Another with very similar effects is still around. This is given as the rebellious Tajoura district: bombing in tajoora tripoli 22.02.2011.mp4. There is smoke rising in the distance, perhaps from an air-strike.
But this bomb does nothing, on closer inspection, than burn a car and perhaps the insides of a building, sending up a plume of smoke. There's also gunfire from men perhaps guarding a hilltop building in the distance. But a horde of civilians is unafraid of the warning shots into the air, charges the security line, and breaks through as the guards retreat. Others clamber over a wall and join their march towards that green-domed building.

Another interesting video on Youtube is a re-broadcast on Jazeera English, it seems, of the original Saleh phone call (dubbed in English). Here it's specified he's calling from and speaking of the Fashlum neighborhood "where the revolution erupted in the city of Tripoli." He claims that anyone who comes out to help the wounded and dead are shot by pervasive snipers, and that bombing runs were ongoing and aiming for people. Yet the B-roll footage under the audio shows many hundreds of people calmly walking away from somewhere, towards somewhere. A few run in and out of that column, for unclear reasons, but no one is falling dead. There's no mass panic as if suddenly attacked, and there are no jets or anything shown.

Mr. Saleh's rant is worth a listen. He's clearly fired up and shrieking over these things he says happened. And he knew just what was needed to stop them: outside intervention. From the video:
The Libyan people need urgent help! People are crying, death is everywhere! Why is the world silent on these atrocities? Why? This is the question. Why are the Arab countries keeping silent? Why? Within the next few hours, the entire Libyan population can be wiped out if this continues ...
On March 4 Sky News had a look at Fashlum and Tajoura and brought back video:
"This is Fashlun, this is the centre of Fashlun," Saif al Islam Gaddafi said.
"Show me a single attack, one drop, one attack on Tajoura."
I was invited to tour around the suburbs of Tripoli with Col Gaddafi's son.
He insisted there have been no bombings in the capital designed to intimidate anti-government protesters - and prevent them from launching an uprising in the capital.
During our drive we saw no evidence of airstrikes, but this was just a short, unscientific exploration of the city.
There was no time for science, just journalism, and they failed. Sky was given a chance to visit any site they wanted. They had the reports of which areas (vaguely) were bombed. If they didn't ask to go there, it was their loss. If they did, they saw nothing. Nothing but people loving Seif, even in the neighborhoods supposedly bombed for their insurrection.

Sukhat Chandan was part of a UK delegation that spent longer and was more thorough. Here in late April he speaks with Russia Today about one of the first fact-finding missions. Mr. Chandan started with what he considered the most important claim, vis-a-vis unleashing the bombing of Libya. This was the alleged bombing of "three particular districts in Tripoli: Souk-al-Jouma, Fashlum, Tajoura," all well-stocked with men like the ones we just heard from. "We visited these areas and there was no indication whatsoever of any aerial bombardment," he said, along with many other fascinating findings.

Looking for these scant videos of or about Tripoli bombings in February, I saw a very large number of non-hits roll by. Bombings of Tripoli, flames, flattened buildings, craters, unexploded ordnance, mangled or charred bodies, including baby-sized ones, damaged civilian infrastructure,  etc. But these were all after mid-March, and exclusively carried out by NATO, for months now aggressively bombing civilians to protect them from bombing that was itself only rumored to begin with.

Update Aug 14: The Russian Evidence
Goodness, did I completely neglect for weeks now to even mention the Russian evidence against Gaddafi “bombing his own people?” Most, like this scholarly article by Ronda Hauben, cite an alleged Russian satellite-based information proving there were no airstrikes carried out in Libya in these early days

I don’t really like this evidence, especially in its wide re-use as a lazy crutch. The allegation comes from a Russia Today broadcast, re-posted on Youtube here, for example. There are no supporting explanations or even specifics I’m aware of. It was satellite-based, perhaps photo-based. But if so, to prove a negative like “no airstrikes,” you’d need something like constant security camera footage over numerous Libyan military bases, showing no craft leaving, or over all cities, to prove no bombs dropped. Perhaps it was based only on photos looking for damaged buildings or craters in the streets. Or maybe it was something different, like monitoring military communications that would have heard such an order. Again, no specifics were given.

Besides, Saif al-Islam admitted there were air strikes, just at ammunition depots, not on protesters in the street.

When this notion was put before the skeptics at the JREF forum, it didn’t do so well. A reasonable-sounding consensus emerged among people of middling knowledge that this wasn’t possible. That’s not scientific disproof, and the forum has a mixed record, but I can’t see why I should embrace this as a leading point of evidence. If the claim is ever explained better and shown to be proof, or even as inconclusive supporting evidence, so be it. Until then I’ll call it an alleged support for an idea that’s still apparently true and is better illustrated in other ways.

Oct. 17: Grimaldi's View
From a recent interview with 73-year-old Italian filmmaker Fulvio Grimaldi, "the legendary Italian (and former BBC) journalist and filmmaker who shot and smuggled out video footage of the Bloody Sunday massacre from under the noses of the British army almost forty years ago," who's now working on a film about the Libyan war which I very much hope to see finished:
I began by asking Grimaldi how closely his recent trips to Libya matched the impression given in the mainstream media:
“Not in the least. I personally visited areas around Tripoli where Gheddafi had allegedly “bombed his own people”, but not a bomb had fallen before Nato started its attacks. And this was confirmed by Russian spy satellites. Wherever I went – only in the company of other Fact Finding officials, talking freely to people of my choice, and stopping wherever I wished – I came across multitudes of young and old, men and women, who declared themselves committed to Gheddafi. They are the people who withstood a 7 month war by 27 military powers who had promised a two-week victory, those who defended Tripoli for over a week, those who today hold out in Sirte, Bani Walid, Sabha, Kufra and in 75% of the still free national territory – against genocidal bombings, special Nato troops and mercenaries.”
Oct. 26: Shammam's Explanation
Mahmoud Shammam, currently the NTC lying sack of an information minister, was back in February just a Libyan dissident giving a fair-minded account of what was happening inside Libya. On the 27th, he spoke with Al Jazeera English's Inside Story, along with French defector and schemer Nouri al Mesmari. At 10:10 he's confronted with Seif assertion that there were no airstrikes against the Libyan people. His response:
They were for the last four days working day and night to clean areas to look - Tripoli looks like a normal city. And we warned against it. We warned the media, and we helped them come from the eastern part, from Salum (?) and they come starting from the eastern part.
That was all he could say before veering off. Wherever he's speaking of, one presumes that, unlike in any videos or photos ever presented, one will see ... what? Roads patched over where there was a crater? A house being torn down to sanitize its visible bomb damage? Who did this "cleanup" and why was none of that filmed either? If bombs like those evidenced in videos - ones that trash, burn, and loot - were used, a standard "clean-up" will suffice. But normal bombs like people meant will require heavy work crews to erase the signs of. Shammam blames the cover-up on "public relations firms in Europe, especially in Italy," who were apparently doing this urban reconsructive surgery in complete secrecy within dissident areas of the capitol that we know were flooded with cell phone cameras. Shame on those PR firms who hadn't yet nullified their contracts and defected to the rebel side!


  1. So, what happened to the defecting planes and their ?Libyan? pilots?

    I don't think Mr Barnes-Dacey had much direct knowledge of bombing, as he moved seamlessly between Iraq, Egypt Libya and now Syria. That's about all he says.

    More interesting is Mr Salem Gnan whose well- timed quote stirred up the gullible "liberal" (not) Guardian readership. Really he only produced another master work, as told to AP, faithfully purveyed by the Guardian 31 March 2011:
    London-based Libyan dissident Salem Gnan suggested Koussa could provide a trove of information on Gadhafi's inner circle, the country's shadowy past and the dictator's increasing desperation.
    Koussa is Libya's "black box and curator of Gadhafi's top secrets," Gnan said. "He will uncover it all. He has got all the names, the documents and the information."
    Er, yes....

    1. faithfully purveyed by the Guardian


      Najla Abdurrahman is the daughter of a political dissident in the Libyan opposition party. She has helped support the Libyan demonstrations ..
      Libyan opposition literally running protests from Washington.

  2. Mr Gnan is a member of the same group which organised the ill-fated protests outside the Libyan People's Bureau in 1984.
    Mr Gnan's quotes led to headlines about complete chaos and genocide reverberating around the world,alongside other quotes such as
    "Military aircraft fired live ammunition at crowds of anti-government protesters in Tripoli, Al Jazeera television said on Monday" [21 Feb]

    According to a blogger, Major Karnage,
    "I’ve been watching the Facebook page of a Libyan friend as he posts updates and calls-to-arms.

    We have just heard that the military ships are bombing an area in Tripoli and many people have been killed although we don’t know how many at the moment because people have just called to tell us it is happening.

    I have had calls from people in towns and cities all across Libya. Those in the east can not get out but those in towns and cities in western Libya, everybody is saying: “We are going to Tripoli.” The plan is to come from everywhere and go to Tripoli to sack the city, for the finish.

    - Salem Gnan National Front for the Salvation of Libya

    The blog kindly reproduces a CNN video of 22 Feb, where an alleged eye witness with a mildly american accent "I saw, er, four jets er flying er around, er.. I got so scared..." (from about 00.44) "nothing good here...no health...no education....you just eat and sleep.." plays recorded gunfire(!) It's laughable but it laid the foundations for a NATO no-fly zone and bombing campaign and a NATO faciltated regime change .

  3. I think you can see Salem Gnan, سالم قنان here in a London demonstration (probably outside the Knightsbridge embassy) in this YouTube video uploaded on 17 February. (I think this is him too on 6 October recently,interviewed by Alaan. In May he seemed to be in Nalut
    Also here on Al Arabiya 18 April.

    (Nalut seemed a key town for rallying of westerners for an assault on Tripoli in August)

    Salem Masoud Gnan is stated to be a lawyer but has directorships of several companies, EXCEL PHARMACY LTD of 23 Church Road, Isleworth TW7 4PR, but also of TOTAL MEDIA SERVICES AND MANAGEMENT LIMITED of 3A MONTAGU ROW, LONDON
    More interestingly, he is a director of the Oxford based Centre for Libyan Studies of Suite 220, 286 Banbury Road, OX2 7DL, a charity. Funding? The directors in 2008 were :Mustafa Rugibani
    Youssef El Megreisi (Company Secretary)
    Omar Abdulatef (Chairman)
    Doctor Fathi Sikta
    Mohamed Ali Ahdash
    Salem Gnan (Appointed 25.03.2008)

    Accountants Shaw Gibbs LLP
    264 Banbury Road
    Oxford OX2 7DY

  4. Mr Gnan, if it is the same person, now apparently styles himself Salem Gnan Alnaluty ,and according to his facebook page has relocated to Sweden recently. He has uploaded the Guardian live blog from February translated into arabic to his page,"This a translation in Arabic of our live blog on the uprising in Libya", along with the London video and an inconsequential Al Bayda video of 23 feb and the theatrical mass rape allegation video

  5. Damn, Felix, you continue to rock. Mr. Gnan gets his own post soon, mostly to be filled with what you posted here.

  6. http://www.sevimdagdelen.de/de/article/2124.kleine_anfrage_17_5409_hintergruende_des_bewaffneten_angriffs_auf_libyen.html





  7. Die Zeit has published a disgraceful article which starts off from a false premise,(Dieser Krieg war gerecht: Eine Bilanz der Intervention in Libyen.,von Jochen Bittner and Andrea Böhm 27 October 2011),"Im Februar gingen die verwackelten Bilder von erschossenen Demonstranten und Muammar al-Gadhafis Heckenschützen in Bengasi um die Welt – aufgenommen von Oppositionellen mit ihren Smartphones"
    The blurred images in fact showed no such thing. I challenge the authors Jochen Bittner and Andrea Böhm to point me to anything of the sort.

  8. An obscure piece, with audio link from NPR, dated 28 February 2011, entitled Libya's Rebellion Spawns A Trio Of Unlikely Heroes, Lourdes Garcia-Navarro reporting, states:
    "One of the most dramatic incidents in the uprising took place over the skies of Benghazi. Capt. Abdul Salam Al Abdely, a 49-year-old air force pilot, was told to bomb rebel targets in eastern Libya during the first days of the rebellion.

    When he refused, his co-pilot put a gun to his head. Instead of complying, Abdely ejected from the plane. His father says he told him, "I couldn't bomb my own people."

    Audio link here

  9. Leila Fadel reported for the Washington Post on the pilot Al Abdely: Residents of eastern Libyan city try to fill void in cradle of revolt on 24 February 2011,
    "On Wednesday, two pi­lots ejected from their fight­er jets rather than fol­low or­ders. One of them was Capt. Abdul Salam Al Abdely.

    The pi­lot's fa­ther, 77-year-old Attiya Moussa el Abdely, said his son told him from his hos­pital bed that he had decided to ditch his plane rather than strike tar­gets in his home town.

    "My son is a hero, and Gaddafi is a flea on the Libyan cit­i­zens," the el­der Abdely said, his eyes red from weeping."

    This is not quite the same story as reported above by Garcia-Navarro...

  10. I wonder whether this story is also a variant of the one spun by the Guardian's Martin Chulov on Saturday 26 February 2011, Libya celebrates as Gaddafi's remote strongholds rise against him :

    A small group of youths milled around an empty fountain, with a brand new feature – the wing of a fighter jet that plummeted to earth on Wednesday. [23 February]

    The story of that downed plane has quickly been etched into folklore here. Its pilot had been sent to bomb three oil fields to the south, all of which had fallen into the hands of the opposition, who had promptly turned off the taps to further strangle the regime.

    "The pilot is in hospital in Benghazi and the man who sat behind him with a gun is in prison," said Ali Ramadan Mohammed, a civil servant from the oil town of Bregga that was one of the intended targets. "He didn't carry out this evil mission and he is now a hero of the country's liberation."

  11. I now see that Abdessalam Attiyah al-Abdali (News 24) and Abdul Salam Al Abdely (Washington Post, NPR) are one and the same. But the story varies in details, some insignificant, some more important.

  12. Thanks, definitely a new twist to me. I had heard the pair ejected together and were both heroes. But here we have a gun in the cockpit...which was overridden how?

    The pi lot's fa ther, 77-year-old Attiya Moussa el Abdely, said his son told him from his hos­pital bed that he had decided to ditch his plane rather than strike tar gets in his home town.

    "My son is a hero, and Gaddafi is a flea on the Libyan cit i zens," the el der Abdely said, his eyes red from weeping."

    This is not quite the same story as reported above by Garcia-Navarro...

    Reporter's characterization. Oddly enough, of course, the other pilot was named Gaddafi ("Ali Omar al-Kadhafi"). Which one the hero's dad refers to isn't 100% clear. It's been said Mr. al-Kadhafi is in prison. Could be the case, if for no other reason than to create such a myth, which hardly anyone's even noticed, so maybe not...

    Whatever, interesting.

  13. Mahdi Nazemroaya of Reporter of globalresearch.ca who was in Libya two months from July-August 2011: and GRTV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsKx7kbvkJA

    say different things :
    8:35 he reports the war crimes of NATO +at 18:05
    11:30 NATO mercenaries
    13:06/ 13:30 NTC people: it was the USA who brought in Al Qaida. Libyans do not want the islamists, but the US wants them and is controlling them.
    18:05 he personaly saw bombed etc
    22:37 The red cross told me about 3000 deaths within two days in Tripoli mostly form NATO. Tripoli is demolished

    28:28 Tripoli: supply cut off and then massive carpet bombing

  14. This Euronews videoطيارون ليبيون يرفضون تنفيذ... (Libyan pilots refuse to carry out (orders)) mentions the two Sukhoi22 pilots but shows the Malta arriving Dassaults.
    Other videos -

    are extremely unconvincing and show little more than a large hole in the ground, perhaps due to an explosion, with some odd bits of a plane, allegedly.

    More fakery. One finds the official report hard to believe, as there is so little wreckage, and the large hole seems very clean. (no 81905 at 4.28 here.

  15. re the rebellious Tajoura district (of Tripoli)
    See this abuslam1 video وصول السلاح الى طرابلس و تحديدا الى شواطئ تاجوراء -
    The arrival of arms to Tripoli, and specifically to the shores of Tajoura
    , uploaded after the fall of Gaddafi, but undated, showing guns and ammunition being unloaded in the harbour from boats.

    1. NATO Ship Liaising with Tajura NATO Terrorists off Tripoli Coast
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29RP1ien-Zk&feature=player_embedded# !

      Tajura's Secret: Weapons Hidden by Gaddafi (Aug. 27, 2011) تاجوراء

  16. Strange that all these Gaddafi weapons were found all over Tajoura,
    left "by Gaddafi", found on 27 August , in light of the undated video earlier (comment above) showing arms shipments arriving at .....Tajoura....to rebels by boat.
    And where did all the weapons go to ???

    1. http://healthandfitness-djs.com/pregnancy/tag/Fashloum

      all the clothes of killed army and excrevator presented as khadafi crimes


  17. It was the BBC propaganda arm of the UK Government in this case correspondent Francis Ghiles, which cleverly implied that it was Serbian Pilots were bombing civilians in order to kick-start the war and which was strongly refuted by Serbia' Defence Minister on 22 February 2011
    ,Dragan Sutanovac, describing it as total stupidity.
    This followed the alleged defection of the mysterious propaganda jets to Malta the day before which started off a page of Malta CC which reported on 22 February: "Serbian pilots are reputed to be manning the planes which are dive bombing protesters."
    Francis Ghilès: is an "Africa Expert" and political scientist at the Barcelona Centre for International Affairs or Fundació CIDOB and who hosted a seminar in London on 29 March about repatriating offshore North African money from overseas to boost economic growth. Sposored by BNY Mellon and LCM Louis Capital Markets.

    Perhaps we should look at the role of the CIDOB in this.... Ghiles also emphasised the alleged use of mercenaries,telling BBC anchor Martha Kearney that the Libyan dictator had a history of using foreign mercenaries against his own people as he did not trust his own military.

    Clever manipulation.

    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FI8r-vOWBNE
      mercenary talk 21 feb/ Sahad /Washington DC


      Ali Al Issawi, the Libyan rebel Foreign Affairs Minister : and prior to the crisis he recruited mercenaries

    2. We left behind our friends from Chad. We left behind their bodies,” he said. “We had 70 or 80 people from Chad working for our company. They cut them dead with pruning shears and axes,
      300,000 of whose citizens were among the 1.5 million black African migrant laborers in Libya at the time of the February revolt.

      February 18th, when they rounded up and executed a group of fifty African migrant workers in Bayda / this is second group , not beheaded, but executed

      -burned while locked in police station
      Some died when protestors burned down the police station in which they locked them up and 15 were lynched in front of the courthouse in Bayda.[4][16]

      The rebels spread these rumours everywhere, which had terrible consequences for African guest workers

      Disappeared: Thousands of Libyan Blacks Turn Up Missing in Rebel Offensives

      result : 100.000 robbed, hanged,tortured,shot,killed,disappeared

      11:30 pm Al Jazeera spoke to one protester on the phone, amid noisy crowds, who summarised the scene in the capital, Tripoli:To be honest with you now, I don't think these people are after Gaddafi. More than anything else now, they're after blood."

    3. http://www.4thmedia.org/2011/11/28/unknown-snipers-and-western-backed-regime-change/
      Unknown snipers played a pivotal role throughout the  so-called  « Arab Spring Revolutions »  yet, in spite of reports of their presence in the mainstream media, surprisingly little attention has been paid to  to their purpose and role. 

      Libya Manipulated Social Media



      the massacre of innocent people begins: the question is ; which people, many loyalists and black skinned people have been killed in cyrenaica

      Libya : L'envers de la Libye partie 1

    4. Press Release  Thursday 10th February 2011

      Libyan Embassy - London PROTEST Thursday 17th February 2011


      From the very beginning the US-backed Libyan unrest played out in oafish measures, crutched along by the most irresponsible, intellectually dishonest "journalism" to date. A week before the unrest began, it was the the London based National Conference of Libyan Opposition (NCLO) that called for the February 17th "Day of Rage," not Libyans in the streets of Tripoli or Benghazi.

    5. @felix : long time sub-saharans lived in Libiya and many worked in the army , special in khamees brigade.
      The opposition has turned this fact around and made it a racist matter :

      HRH Mohamed Hilal El Senussi , the grand nephew of King Idris :
      over 100 perished in the hands of Ghadafi-employed African mercenaries
      prompting local police forces and members of the army to break ranks

      It is a crime beyound imagination

  18. One UK person who was resposible for getting out the message that Gaddafi was bombing his own people, via the compliant MSM, was Julien Barnes-Dacey then of London SE1 based consultancy Control Risks His quote was "These really seem to be last, desperate acts. If you’re bombing your own capital, it’s really hard to see how you can survive, " its Middle East anaylst Julien Barnes-Dacey said. (based on the familiar phone call to Reuters, A Libyan man, Soula al-Balaazi, who said he was an opposition activist, told the network by telephone that Libyan air force war planes had bombed "some locations in Tripoli".

    He said he was talking from a suburb of Tripoli.

    No independent verification of the report was immediately available)
    21 February.
    Mr Barnes-Dacey who now works as Senior Policy Fellow for the European Council on Foreign Relations has now turned his attention to Syria, and may be seen in action in 10 February 2012 on France 24 here His Policy - Leave office please Mr Assad asap.

    1. ...the usual list of assholes:

      Our founding members and major donors:
      - Open Society Foundations

      ECFR's Board and Council
      ECFR's Board members are: Martti Ahtisaari (co-chair), Emma Bonino, Joschka Fischer (co-chair), Karin Forseke, Timothy Garton Ash, Ivan Krastev, Mabel van Oranje (co-chair), Ana Palacio, Andrew Puddephatt, Aleksander Smolar, Javier Solana

  19. Garton Ash - very spooky, articles placed in the Guardian...The Middle East and North Africa programme [of ECFR] was established in early 2011 in response to the dramatic protests across the region that became known as the ‘Arab Spring.’ Europe, like most of the world, was unprepared for these events,(oh really!) ...continues

  20. "Bombing his own people" The story of the defecting pilots, Ali Al Rabti and Abdullah al Salheen who allegedly had refused to bomb their own people needs re-examining now that they have returned as heroes and have even returned to Malta.
    This article Libyan pilots, technicians prepare to return Mirage F1s in Malta 13 Jan 2012, reproduces a photo which appeared at the time, Feb 2011. This may be compared with the "heroes" - one of whom has a similar hair line but has a much thinner face. Compare with the where the official narrative is related to the press. (only one of the pair here)

    More links - Algerian Mercenary pilots, pilots executed CNN 24 Feb (ho ho)

    CNN 28 sept 2011 - the pilots return to Libya.
    Oh lookee - the dark one, Col Abdulla al Salhi (Abdullah al Salheen) took a dated and timed photo of his companion showing that they were about to take off at 4.37pm and defy orders (3.37pm Malta time). How convenient. Nicely allowing an hour to land in Malta. But he sure doesn't look like the big fellow at Malta airport.(00.51 in the video).

    More articles from Sept 2011 and Jan 2012..

    and photos on this page from Jan 2012

    However in November 2011, Gonzi (Malta) and El-Keeb (Libya) had a working lunch attended also by these to pilots after the press briefing.

    1. Felix, I'm impressed by what you seem to have found here, and honored to have it in the comments. As usual as of late, however, I probably won't be looking deeply into it myself ATM. But I might soon copy it over into the body of the post where it fits better. If it's as cool as you say and we can make the right visuals to show it, sounds like material to go into a CIWCL report on the bombing claims.

    2. Libyan air force pilot Ali Al-Rabti is hugged by his son upon his arrival at Mitiga airport in Tripoli, Sept. 18. Two air force pilots who refused to bomb civilians during Moammar Gadhafi's rule, fled to Malta in February and returned to Tripoli on Sunday. (Suhaib Salem / Reuters) Share

  21. Replies
    1. An Al-Arabiya article Libyan dissident recalls disobeying Qaddafi’s orders,
      15 November 2011, Ali Farag has said he has no regrets for refusing the late leader Muammar Qaddafi’s orders to bomb Benghazi during the uprising in Libya
      Yet the photo shows Ali Al Rabti being kissed, with an unknown bearded man in desert fatigues next to him. Certainly not the other pilot.

    2. http://i44.tinypic.com/4zvuyc.jpg

      In a statement issued as protests erupted across Libya, the mission's deputy chief and other staff said they were serving the Libyan people, demanded "the removal of the regime immediately" and urged other Libyan embassies to follow suit.
      The statement issued in New York said hundreds had died in the first five days of the uprising.
      A spokesman for the UN mission, Dia al-Hotmani, said the statement had been issued by deputy permanent representative Ibrahim Dabbashi and other staff.

      Dabbashi and his colleagues called on The Hague-based International Criminal Court to start an immediate inquiry into war crimes and crimes against humanity they said Gaddafi and his sons and followers had committed.

      They called on employees of Libyan embassies all over the world to "stand with their people", especially the mission at the UN European headquarters in Geneva, which they said should seek action by the UN Human Rights Council there.

      Meanwhile, a group of Libyan army officers have issued a statement urging fellow soldiers to "join the people" and help remove Muammar Gaddafi.
      The officers urged the rest of the Libyan army to march to Tripoli.

  22. And here are the Libyan Mirage jets, ready to fly home on 21 February no doubt, the anniversary of the "refusal to bomb civilians" and defection, to yet more media coverage in Libya no doubt.

    1. This youth has had a lot to do with Libi. He purports to be in College, Malta, yet seems to be able to get all sorts of images (the Mirages in Malta), one wonders with whose authority?

      Historically he tweets a lot and screamed most loudly circa Feb17, 2011.

      (Caustic: found a nice Gadaffi JAMAHIRIYA archive but don't know where to place it or if you / others have already got it.)


    2. Thanks, Edward. The kid might be of interest, I don't know. On the archive, that's a dang lot of files, but only so many actual speeches of Gaddafi (I presume), in multiple languages and multiple file types, up to 2010. It has research value, to be sure, but in areas peripheral to my own main ones. I'm not sure where to put it either. I'll think about that a little, if there is or should be a spot for such things.

    3. @EQ that's very interesting. An early friend is here, perhaps responsible for the photo opp. btw I don't believe the veracity of the time stamped pic in the video for one moment....

    4. https://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya

      Ismael Zmirli (@ChangeInLibya) on Twitter
      Sign up for Twitter to follow Ismael Zmirli (@ChangeInLibya). A Libyan pro-freedom and pro-democracy fighter - with Twitter as my weapon. Long live ...

      Friday, 3 February 2012
      Libya: A Market of Opportunities


      DR NIZ
      Rebellion 3.0: How Libyan rebels use Twitter to help NATO air strikes

      Nine Twitterers To Follow For News On Libya

      petition USA @StateDept to create #NoFlyLibya - keep Gaddafi's bombers grounded! http://act.ly/35f {pls RT to sign} #Libya
      Opposition figures urge “freedom-loving” Americans to pressure the Obama administration to stop Gadhafi’s aircraft from attacking them.
      http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian/statuses 48356311699697664

      djmeddi: Good luck getting any business deals in #Libya David Welch http://t.co/pH6maBI
      MeddiTV in Atlanta : posted first burned bodies you tube

    6. the mother of all lies :


    7. Busy lad...going back to his studies now after a busy year. Looked like a full time occupation....

    8. @Hurriya - Old videos started appearing on Youtube before 15 February in the west - e.g. this one uploaded on 13 Feb, Gaddafi's killing of students 1984 or this one , uploaded 11 January, WPC Yvonne Fletcher had been helping control a small demonstration

    9. Yes, somebody wrote some weeks before about it on this blog , that he is receiving many old vids now

      It comes from the channel of anas gamaty , I saw 1 time

    10. @Felix The Brit lady cop has an analysis here seems plausible to me? (Maybe you've seen?)

      Seen the 1984 student hanging and wondered somewhat if Gadaffi present or the episode done by interpretation of, 'His desire,' by the Committees?

      Obviously one is faced with a west-planned insurgency designed decades ago and somewhat hard to unravel in a documented manner? Unsure why I do it but it's all wrong IMHO!

      Malta seems incestually involved especially as the rumour of 12000 US troops etc, but it would appear these, perhaps smaller in number, are in Libya protecting the oil, but I cannot get image verification, if such would not be fraudulent?

      @hurriya anas gamaty is he? If so he appears to gad about a bit all over the world giving media lectures on Libi. scroll down. Libyan educated UK, LSE.

      The more one looks the more 'they' abound??


    11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaXDSBA6mWI
      LIBYA: ANAS EL GOMATI, Libyan Political Analyst


      brother of :

      son of :

      The news agency that performed this report was the Guardian.

      They also have writers like :
      Gaddafi is a legitimate target
      Alaa al-Ameri, Brits-Libish journalist, in The Guardian

    12. Alaa al-Ameri is only a pseudonym. It could be someone from the security services for all we know. The Guardian has always had an agenda in the middle east and it is swallowed uncritically by its pseudo-liberal readers. Some commenters do see through it though.

    13. @EQ Malta is a prisoner of its geography and small size. this recently published PhD thesis has some interesting historical references relating to alleged Libyan atrocities in the UK. Nowadays we trust media reporting less and less and accept false flag ops more readily. Nobody ever seems to get caught.... The truth will remain concealed.

    14. http://www.shabablibya.org/news/the-libyan-pilots-who-defied-gaddafi

      Interview with the libyan pilots who refused gaddafi orders and fled with their jets to malta
      Uploaded by freeeeelibyan on Sep 24, 2011
      Some amazing stories of Libyan pilots salvaging the airplanes at Tripoli Airport #Libya

      Apparently they had to keep the fuel in them at 30% and turn the engine on every 2 weeks to reset the computers and such #Libya

      The senior captain here is an old face who I’ve always had convos with, such an epic guy…is currently heading the assessment for airports
      said the Libyan fleet based in Tripoli is 64 planes, though some of them are stuck at Toulouse and Hamburg.

      in Toulouse thru some loophole are nt actually registered as Libyan planes, are getting them back, while hamburg ones r frozen assets

      There are issues with Libyan pilots licenses, since they expire if you don’t fly for 6 months, they got some contract with Turkey to help


    15. #Malta entrepreneurs in talks with #Silverstone and #Libya company to rebuild #Mallaha Lake motor racing circuit with €120m investment
      Qatar will continue using Malta as a hub for humanitarian aid to Libya for as long as necessary, according to General Naser Alkaabi, a senior Qatari military official who heads his country’s aid mission for Libya in Malta.
      “We signed a contract with Salvo Grima Group to supply us with food and mineral water for our weekly shipment to Libya with humanitarian aid. We have sent 13 shipments since we started, consisting of 2,000 tons of food and two tons of medicine and ambulances.”
      maritime boundary dispute

      Facts have shown that, so far, the licence given to an oil company by the Malta government to drill for oil in the Medina Bank has reaped no dividends at all for Malta but only for the oil company, Heritage Oil (UK Ltd), with its head office in Jersey. In fact, this company has raised the value of its shares on the London Stock Exchange on the basis of this promise to operate an oil well in the Medina Bank.

      The company is headed by chief executive Tony Buckingham, a former SAS officer who, according to the 'Petroleum Economist', is closely connected with Sandline International, a controversial private security company that shut down in 2004, and Executive Outcomes, another security firm.


      Abdul Qader Ahmed Shaheed
      my friend and role model the national hero martyr Ahmad Abdul Kader Shaheed (image center) who was killed by the tyrant ... Http://fb.me/1GPIqLH7Q

  23. http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?load=detay&newsId=245674&link=245674
    Over 100 Libyan army members defect from Gaddafi

    Libyan Pilot: Eyewitness to Gaddafi's African Mercenaries. Feb. 2011 الطيار نصر عامر

    6,000 people dead,rebel forces spokesman, COLONEL ABDULLAH AL MAHDI , Feb 23 AJE

  24. http://defensetech.org/2011/07/27/the-free-libyan-air-force-2/
    These Mig-21s (probably three of the four known to have defected in March) are shown flying over the rebel-held city of Benghazi’s Benina Airport late last month despite the NATO-enforced no-fly zone — which ostensibly bans the rebels from flying as well as grounding Gadhafi’s air force. But remember, this is technically a no-fly, no-drive zone and NATO has allowed the rebels to drive a-plenty.


    Libyan rebels using Canadian urban surveillance drones

    Footage of Libyan rebels Mig21

    American pilots flew French jets in Libya:

    rebels have a small number of MIG-21 fighter aircraft that have flown within the supposed no-fly-zones

    1. July 27 2011...your first reference...
      Air Libya’s British Aerospace 146 (shown below) cargo plane that’s being used to link Benghazi with the rebel’s tiny new airstrip at Rhebat, in the Nafusa region; the anti-Gadhafi forces’ remote mountain redoubt south of Tripoli.

      As you can see, the strip at Rhebat is pretty narrow and only small planes than can safely taxi on unpaved surfaces can operate from it. Again, these resupply flights must have been approved by NATO.

      Last link.....18 July 2011
      NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen responded: “I don’t consider the so-called arms drop a problem".... As a local rebel commander in Libya’s western mountains told CBS Evening News on Friday: “When we get permission from NATO we will advance forward.”

    2. I think the BA 146 also ran in from Malta - need to look for refs, perhaps around the defecting pilots.
      Notice the statement in the Quilliam Institute's paper - Nb. This briefing paper was written with the help of the former Libyan Islamic Fighting Group leader Noman Benotman, a senior analyst at Quilliam, who returned to London yesterday after spending two weeks in Tripoli, Libya. (report dated 22 February 2011)

    3. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2769132/posts
      How the Libyan Rebels Bought a Miniature Surveillance Drone on the Internet
      Libyan Rebels Reportedly Used Tiny Canadian Surveillance Drone

      Rebels MiG21 "i think" in benina air base in benghazi refueling and rearming to bomb gaddafi's forces advancing towards the city
      the video was probably taken on 17th or 18th of march



      Libya rebel minister opens Western Mountains air link
      Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:47pm GMT

    4. @felix : "NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen responded: “I don’t consider the so-called arms drop a problem"...


      However, Nato secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen told Sky News he does not believe the resolution will allow the coalition to arm rebels.

  25. March 19, 2011/ French-built Mirage fighter shot down in Libyan rebel town of Benghazi belonged to rebels, rebels admit


    "Yes, it was one of the insurgents' planes. It was downed by Gaddafi's forces," a senior rebel official told AFP, reached by telephone.

    The statement accused the rebels of using "a helicopter and a fighter jet to bomb the Libyan armed forces in blatant violation of the no-fly zone imposed by the UN Security Council."

  26. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5AEEbuV8Hg&feature=player_embedded
    Mar 16, 2011/16.36 /16.56
    we know he hasn't bombed cities

    Precision Bombing by French Air Force of Gaddafi's Military Convoy, Gymenis (Libya), Mar. 19, 2011.

    2.13 / 4.37 black bodies throath, neck cutted / not labeled, from Katiba is said

    Two days earlier, on 16 February, it was also reported that Islamist gunmen, with the help of a defecting army colonel, stormed an arms depot in Derna and seized 250 weapons and an assortment of 70 military vehicles. During the raid four soldiers were killed and 16 wounded.[15] By the end of 18 February, the only place that still housed a significant number of Gaddafi loyalists in Benghazi was the Katiba compound.

  27. http://volvbilis.wordpress.com/2011/03/23/cia-operating-inside-libya-u-s-agents-are-helping-guide-air-strikes-and-determining-the-allegiances-of-rebel-forces-egypt-supplies-libyan-insurgents-with-weapons-at-washingtons-instigation-egypt/

    CIA Operating Inside Libya, U.S. Agents are Helping Guide Air Strikes and Determining the Allegiances of Rebel Forces, Egypt Supplies Libyan Insurgents With Weapons at Washington’s Instigation, Egyptian Special Forces Secretly Pouring into Libya

    US, France, Britain set up bases in Libya / 1 march

  28. 20 feb 2012 :

    Breaking News Tripoli عاجل طرابلس

    Defense Minister Jwalyli says that the Libyan Air Force has been grounded and General Mangoush says that they are flying over southern Libya and assisting the army bring Chadean mercs under control
    Also the free Libyan Air Force has rejected orders from defense minister Jwayli not to join the fight in the south of Libya and have flown their fighter crafts to the south to strike the Chadean mercenaries causing havoc to our ppl in the south.
    [Jwalyli =zintan]

    Planes take off to bomb Toubu tribes #Kufra #Libya

    ‎#Libya S.O.S. #News from #Libya - many civilians are fleeing #Kufra , due to continuos shelling of their houses. They have a problem-lack of fuel for their cars to get to the north. It seems that it will be a mass-exodus.

    [@ felix : is this man to be seen in vid : what happened in yarmouk?

    New Libyan minister for #HumanRights taking smiley #Photos with armed #children / #childsoldiers .]

    1. I see the simlarity, but is chubbier and older.

  29. http://i41.tinypic.com/30ivy55.jpg

  30. Nice take bdown of the warmongering bollocks in the dreadful Guardian at media lens, one year on...

    1. @ felix , wonder if one of those is our Maltese student
      ChangeInLibya Ismael Zmirli


    2. The guy on the right,top pic perhaps. Did he tweet about it? I can't fnd any ref among the Democratic Underground spooky Libyan Revolution Day x tweets from "catherina" behind photo of equally spooky Assange. Amazing that a Maltese photograper Ray Abela should be able to meet the unscheduled "defecting" libyan jets so perfectly here.

    3. found some other reports of the early days :

      reply posted on 24-2-2011
      That would be HMS Cumberland, a type 22 Frigate launched in 1989. /She has recently been on station in the Gulf working with the French Aircraft carrier and is also on patrol in the Med.

      German, Chinese and American ships are now entering Libyan waters and are to be supported with British fighters to protect them although they have no authorisation to enter Libyan airspace.

      reply posted on 23-2-2011 @ 12:54 PM by LestatG
      I'm at the Excelsior Hotel in Floriana and there are uniformed German military airforce in the lobby./Going to ask them what they are here.

      posted on 23-2-2011 @ 09:27 AM by Aggie Man
      I just saw this on CNN and wanted to add to the discussion:

      A Libyan military aircraft crashed Wednesday southwest of Benghazi after the crew refused to follow orders to bomb the city, Libya's Quryna newspaper reported.

      The pilot and co-pilot parachuted out of the craft, and the plane crashed in an uninhabited area, the paper said.
      www.cnn.com ...


      February 22, 2011 | 7:03 pm

      LIBYA: Warship defects to Malta/A Libyan warship arrived in Malta on Tuesday after its crew refused to carry out orders to bomb Benghazi, the satellite network Al Jazeera reported.


      Monday, February 21, 2011, 16:34

      Two Libyan Air Force Mirage jet fighters unexpectedly flew to Malta this afternoon with their pilots claiming they escaped to Malta after having been ordered to bomb protesters who have taken control of the second city of Benghazi.

    4. after some time they didn't need the pilots any more :

      Aeryon Scout UAV in use with the Libyan Rebels

  31. Following my post of Feb 19 above, compare the skin colour of the pilots who emerge in September with the two individuals in this Ray Abela photo on landing. Compare also the chin line of the one on the right - much chubbier than Rabti, unless the Maltese starved him. Al Salhi seems much darker than the one on the left. My take - more fakery.

    1. just two pilots ?


    2. the right one has a white hand and the left one straight hair

    3. pilots :



      A Libyan Airforce pilot (5th R) walks next to his Mirage F1 fighter jet after landing at Malta International Airport outside Valletta February 21, 2011.


      it might be them,
      or not ?


    4. His head is much bigger and fatter than Rabti's....

    5. Some clearer images.

      Things happening so fast and data herein so valuable!


      Think there's some kind of panic therein, especially as Khamis lurking. Senussi appears to be under interrogation and from vid he seems so calm but Arabic not my language?

      @umarnkhan well I for one would love to see prove that #Naker has got #AbdullahSenussi #Libya



    6. Great photo EQ.
      There is some end of 2011 footage at RT of Abdullah Naker following on from ex SPLAJ Army man,now Zintan Brigade Commander in Tripoli Mukhdar Al Akhtar

  32. Aljazeera reporter: Libya's Geography, Gaddafi once said I will bring about the unexpected, or even imagine, and he was pointing to the mercenaries, from the point of how many, can you specify if they were 50,000 as some eye witnesses said today......

    Pilot Naser :the mercenaries were brought from the south in Sabha specifically,


    Air Afriqiyah held to account for aiding Gaddafi’s slaughter in Libya
    The British Libyan Solidarity Campaign/2nd March 2011

    1. @hurrya
      Azeldin El Sharif
      however, Azeldin was born in Libya where he lived with his young family and worked as a banker until the Gaddafi regime forced him to serve in the army. During his time in the army he was tortured. He subsequently became active in the Islamic political movement against the regime, but this his felt his life was in danger, so in 2001 Azeldin [El Sharif], his wife and his children fled to the UK to seek asylum.

      cf Guardian article
      ...[British-born Lucinda]Lavelle, secretary of the British Libyan Solidarity Campaign.

      Lavelle's husband Azeldin el Sharif is already back in Libya, where he planned to announce the formation of a political party. He had received political asylum in Britain, but will no longer seek that protective status now that it is safe for him to live in Libya, and Lavelle plans to join him.

    2. http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167104.html
      Press TV's interview president of the British Libyan Solidarity Campaign,
      Interview with President of British Libyan Solidarity Campaign, Azeldin El Sharif in London

      [gmaty's name in comment schanged in anonymous]


      yes, they had a full time occupation in UK and after their country had bombed Libiya complete , they are doing the good job in Libiya now

    3. @ felix , wonder which young family they are talking about?

      Through advice at MRSN, Azeldin was helped to get access to services like improvement to his living conditions, social services, benefits, English lessons, and help with schools for his children

    4. See here.Also,from about 0.50. this video. But no trace of A El S here

    5. Protest For Libya in Washington DC White House Feb 19 2011



      Libiyans from arizona ,kentucky ,seattle , arizona ,michigan
      [ my name is malid AUN] 5.05

      A video produced by AHMED SHIBAB-ELDIN AND Aalaa Abuzaakouk.
      Az eldin connection??

    6. media selection request failed , felix. such coïncidence when links are mentioned, short after many don't work anymore.

      if my suspicion happens to be right , then besides my disgust of such coward behaviour , I like the idea that so many links are posted here that it will give a 24 hour job , 7 days and nights to many people.

    7. BBC Vid 20 Feb of Lavelle - "massacre@ in Benghazi, Lockerbie..all the usual rubbish. Converted to Islam "4 years ago" in this Video 10 Jan 2011.

      Here is Azeldin el Sharif in Manchester, July 2011,"recently back from a trip to Libya," and earlier, an interview with Press TV on Feb 26 2011
      And also here living in London (not Manchester) being interviewed by Yvonne Ridley on 28 January 2011

      here he is in December 2011
      See also LIFG former member with long beard Ismael Kamoko at 12.00 whom I have not come across.

    8. @hurriya - sorry,saw you had already linked to Press TV original page...
      What happened to Hafed Al Ghwell blog??? All quiet since July. Perhaps too busy at the World Bank in Washington DC

  33. And Al Jazeera, the satellite broadcaster based in Doha, covered the struggle of the Libyan rebels in even greater detail and depth than it has the Arab world’s other revolutionary movements.

    Al Jazeera is not alone in its biased reporting from Libya. The Saudi media is also relishing the events in Libya. Asharq Al-Awsat is a paper that is strictly aligned to U.S. interests in the Middle East-North Africa (MENA) region. Its editor-in-chief is now running editorials glorifying the Arab League for their decision to suspend Libya – why were such steps not taken for Egypt, Tunisia, Bahrain, or Yemen? Inside and outside the Arab World, the mainstream media is now creating the conditions for some sort of intervention in Libya.

    IT emerged, on Wednesday, that ousted Libyan leader, Muammar Gaddafi, recruited several young Nigerians into his armed forces in his heyday.
    15.000 Tuaregs were serving in the army

    1. A protester looks at the pictures of protesters who were killed during the last few days during the uprising against Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi in Benghazi city, Libya, February 23, 2011. REUTERS/Asmaa Waguih
      by Reuters_Helen Cook February 24, 2011 at 1:14 AM


      martyrs 1996

    2. The source of the stories coming out of Libya about the Libyan Air Force attacking demonstrators came from one place:
      Al Jazeera.
      The story was picked up by all major western news media. There was just one problem...

      The story was untrue, just as the story that went round the world in August 1990 that Iraqi troops were slaughtering Kuwaiti babies


      ‘Killing his own people’ is a hand-me-down line from the previous regime change war against Saddam Hussein.

      In both cases it suggested two things: that the despot was a monster and that he represented nothing in the society he ruled.

      It is tendentious and dishonest to say simply that Gaddafi was ‘killing his own people’; he was killing those of his people who were rebelling. He was doing in this respect what every government in history has done when faced with a rebellion.

      We are all free to prefer the rebels to the government in any given case. But the relative merits of the two sides aren’t the issue in such situations: the issue is the right of a state to defend itself against violent subversion.

      That right, once taken for granted as the corollary of sovereignty, is now compromised.

  34. More on Mirages ex-Malta:


    Mirages leaving Malta. Scroll back & some images of pilot presentations. Wonder why they are so badly illuminated?

    Then we have current maltreatment of blacks by, I think Misuratah. Quite a Topsy collected response for a change!

    The Malta youth seems to gather all sorts of stuff considering he's in Malta? The Feb17 2012 vid from here (second vid) seems to be a weird, 'day-night' celebration, not many people so other stuff inserted?

    Came across this bloke Adnan El Gherwi who seems to have been quite a mole in the whole episode. He's now in the TLC? (TLC? Tender Loving Care? Acronyms have a memetic truth??)

    Sorry all convoluted but unravelling such complication takes time. Will try to cross-link to other areas.

    Finally, someone tweeted to the Malta youth asking if he had good holiday in Langley, and not only got blocked but two others blocked him as well? Could be just 'spam reasoning,' who knows?


    1. I saw the author of LibyTweepForum : LibyaFromFrance , long time very busy guy

    2. @ EQW : they keep on going promoting 'their heroïc revolution ".

      wonder why : when looking at the results , somebody should cry all day and ask forgiveness to all the displaced, mutilated , tortured and killed people.

      I can't understand their violence , with a little bit patience the colonel would have resigned ,his age and health , and Zeef together with other reformers would have brought all the requested reforms and elections with peace

    3. http://twitter.com/#!/umarnkhan/statuses/157882406806896641


      Where did the 1 million dinars go?” the source said.

    4. El Gherwi doesn't leave much internet trace...odd, that..I was in U.K for about 6-7 years where I tried to make the free students union. I stayed active in the organizations like this beside the study.
      U: When did you return to Libya?
      Dr. Adnan: I came back in 1990.

    5. El Gherwi doesn't leave much internet trace:

      Adnan El Gherwi

      Head of the TLC executive committee Adnan el-Gherwi said:

      Mohammed Adnan El Gherwi (LIBO, Lybia : "In these times of globalization and openness between Euro-Mediterranean countries, …..


      Mr. Mohamed Adnan ElGherwi was a key player during the revolution. He initiated his revolutionary activity through the use of social media as soon as the Arabic spring for democratic change took place in Tunis & Egypt.
      He offered his support to Libyan refugees in Tunis and in Tripoli by providing support during the blockade of Tripoli through the provision of logistical support, materials and supplies.

  35. More about Mr Ismael Kamoko here from 2007 and more recently here from November 2011. His interview on the boat in the River Thames was after his release from prison ...Kamoka was sentenced to three years and nine months in prison while [Abdul] Bourouag and [Khaled] Abusalama received 22 months each.
    They provided more than £20,000 a year and false passports to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG).

    1. Strangely, this article says that Kamoka was not imprisoned but subject to a Control Order which was lifted in 2009...Mr Noman Benotman of the Quilliam Foundation also pops up..."The orders on Mr al-Faqih and Mr Kamoka were lifted in 2009, after Gaddafi signed a truce with the LIFG. Mr Kamoka plans to sue Britain for detaining him under control orders.

      Noman Benotman, a former LIFG leader who advises Britain on counter-terrorism, said: ‘The LIFG never planned terror attacks in the UK. Sometimes, to help family and friends escape from Libya, some members forged passports or sent money"

    2. http://www.scribd.com/doc/57439336/Spies-Lies-and-Whistle-Blowers
      annie machon 2005

      The dissidents fled to Britain in 1996 after a failed plot to assassinate Gaddafi by the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). The Government has denied renegade spy David Shayler’s claim that MI6 funded the uprising. After Gaddafi’s clampdown on the LIFG, hundreds fled Libya, with dozens being allowed to settle in Britain.
      The Mail on Sunday has obtained a secret MI5 dossier on the LIFG dated February 2005. The document, marked ‘Secret UK/Libya Eyes Only’, says Mr Hashem, Mr Bourouag and Mr Abusalama were fundraising and committing passport forgery in the UK.
      Mr Abusalama has returned to Libya to fight Gaddafi. Neighbours of Mr Bourouag, in Acocks Green, Birmingham, said he, his wife and four children are also back in Libya. It is believed that dozens of British-based LIFG members have returned to fight Gaddafi in recent months.

      Ain't it great for the UK : rid of your LIFG who then freed the Libiyan oil for the West ?

    3. Lol :

      MR SABRI MALEK : we experienced both democracy and freedom whilst on exile.


      UK Defense also has a point of view :


    4. The video interview with LIFG member Ishmael Kamoka is at 12.15 in this video .More information to come. He looks Jewish.

    5. http://www.sudaneseonline.com/english/press-releases/4581-al-jazeera-english-dissects-gaddafi-s-downfall.html

      In the third episode, State of Denial, Anne had exclusive access to the key British and Libyan players who planned the war against Gaddafi in London and Libya.

      Using the oral diary of a Tripoli-based insider in almost daily contact with Anne, as well as interviews with the UK prime minister’s senior adviser on Libya and leading figures in Benghazi and Tripoli

      It examines the extent of cooperation between the Libyan military and the British even before February 17th’s rebellion, revealing that many of the defectors were, in effect, “sleepers” waiting for their moment to come. “Everyone looks at the pictures of Blair and Gaddafi embracing," saysAnne.

      "What they don’t see are the handshakes between military advisers who later work together to bring down the regime.”


      The paper reports that 80 per cent of the money went to salaries in rebel-controlled areas which included €35 MILLION FOR PEOPLE WHO DEFECTED from Libya’s regular army, once largely loyal to Gaddafi.

      The figures reveal that the rebel militias were largely funded from other sources such as sympathetic governments, wealthy Libyans, and anti-Gaddafi non-profit organisations.

  36. @Hurriya, Caustic Here is the thin faced wispy goatee bearded MCMalikL who was putting out 17 Feb videos in early Feb 2011. See him at 2.28
    Notice too, he was uploading Al Bayda videos showing 16 February ON 16 FEBRUARY from the US.
    here is is at the Benghazi Festival in January 2012

    1. Can't watch this : negroe rap used for negroe rape.
      wonder if this man is himself black.

      about the spontaneous uprising I want to add these pics :

      another famous uploader :
      selling the killed askary as civilians killed by gvt

      and about the bombing I want emphasis this interesting vid : [ hope caustic did save it]
      Mar 16, 2011/16.36 /16.56
      we know he hasn't bombed cities

    2. o.k. watched the vid : the guy is white

      and here is his prophecy :

      which anthem is involved on theleft side ?

  37. 5.59pm: Salem Gnan, a London-based spokesman for the National Front for the Salvation of Libya, says eyewitnesses in Tripoli have told him the navy has opened fire on parts of the capital.

    But Adel Mohamed Saleh, who called himself a political activist in Tripoli, said the aerial bombing had initially targeted a funeral procession.
    There was no independent verification of the report but Fathi al-Warfali, the Libyan activist who heads the Swiss-based Libyan Committee for Truth and Justice, who was taking part in a protest outside U.N. European headquarters in Geneva said he had heard the same reports.
    7.04pm: An interesting development in London. Krishnan Guru-Murthy of Channel 4 news has just tweeted that the Libyan embassy in London has replaced the official national flag with the pre-Gaddafi era version, favoured by many of those involved in the current uprising.

    9.22pm: A prominent Egyptian cleric, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, has called for a fatwa against Muammar Gaddafi.
    The two Mirage jets arrived Monday shortly after two civilian helicopters landed at the airport carrying seven people who said they were French.

    They have reportedly passed on "classified" information about the movements and actions of the Libyan military to Malta.

    Eric Montfort, a journalist on the island, has been in touch with the Guardian to tell us that the Mirage fighters which apparently defected to Malta are among the most prized in Libya's fighter plane force.

    After the apparent defections earlier in the day of two jet figher pilots who landed in Malta, he has also picked up on reports that military pilots have landed in the Libyan city of Benghazi after refusing orders to bomb it.
    21 feb

    12.45am: We've carried out an interview in the last hour with a contact in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, which appears destined to go down in history as the root of this uprising.

    More than 350 people have been killed, he said, while adding that this death toll did not include the grim discovery made inside the army garrison headquarters by those who entered it following its surrender.
    "We found 150 corpses burning and we believe they were the bodies of officers and soldiers who refused to follow orders to fire on the the people," he said.

  38. Oh, and shooting his people from and in ambulances? How did this fake story emerge, quoted at Wikipedia?
    Answer: David Cole,citizen journalist of Lowestoft, UK (!) reporting for Allvoics.(who he??) and a Malta Today article,'Mercenaries in ambulance shot at my Libyan associate' - Maltese entrepreneur < 25 Feb. : "My associate said he was leaving the mosque after Friday prayers with many other men, when suddenly they were met by armed militia who were lined up in a bid to stop them from congregating with protestors."

    After some time, the same soldiers - described as "black Africans" - opened fire indiscriminately on anybody walking in the street.

    "The worst scene involved an ambulance approaching the wounded. When bystanders approached the ambulance carrying the wounded, the car's doors were flung open and suddenly mercenaries appeared, shooting wildly."

    The Libyan associate reported around 25 Libyans were killed in the onslaught.


    I don't think this David Cole is the same David Cole who is directorof the Atlantic Council of the United Kingdom,, who authored this article for Al Jazeera on March 31, Resolution 1973: Preventing a massacre

    The Atlantic Council of of the UK is an independent non-governmental organisation based in London. Its mission is to explain and promote the benefits the UK enjoys from its membership of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and the constructive role the nation can play in ensuring global peace and security.

    more on the fishy Atlantic Council here

    David Cole may be seen in this 2009 video as Vice President of the Atlantic Treaty Association..

    1. @ felix :

      "Its mission is to explain and promote the benefits the UK enjoys from its membership of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation

      U.K. military involvement in Libya 'driven by energy interests

    2. @ felix : why do y think they 're not the same? bringing democracy everywhere

      British Military Intervention in Libya like Iraq : Saving Private Barrel ناتو ليبيا

  39. The plane that crashed in Benghazi in March 2011 was driven by a REBEL/RAT

    A information has been disseminated by Akhar Kofra Hora (Pro NTC) at their wall, talking about their hero, the pilot who defended the city of Benghazi when his plane was hit. He was far from the city to crash.
    This is the photo of the driver.

    This reminds us of the warplane type Mig-23 crashed following March 19, 2011 on the city of Benghazi. Predators have staged this scene to show that the army of the Jamahiriya Kadhafi has used warplanes to bomb the civilian population and it was with this video that prompted the UN resolution to implement a NO FLY ZONE and INVADE Libya.

  40. Suitcase size drones played decisive role

    A Canadian newspaper has revealed the account of NATO’s double-game in Libya and disclosed how the NATO countries collaborated with each others to topple the Libyan regime and secretly supplied most sophisticated weapons and drones to Libyan rebels.

    According to the newspaper, Ottawa Citizen, the NATO states misused the UN embargo of arms and sea-blockage and enforced one-sided sanction while allowing NATO-backed special forces and trainers to slip into Libya via sea.

    The paper also disclosed that dozens of brief-case size drones were also sent to Libya to monitor and track Gadhafi forces and hunt them down.

    It said that NATO partners in the Mediterranean Sea enforcing an embargo under authority of the United Nations Security Resolution 1973 allowed weapon supplies without any interception to anti- Gadhafi forces.

    The publications recalled while in May of 2011 NATO had set up a ring of 20 warships to enforce a United Nations arms embargo for all sides, while the UN embargo was clearly aimed at preventing the delivery of weapons both to Gadhafi and those fighting him.

    The paper added that hundreds of tonnes of ammunition and arms breezed through the blockade, “exposing what critics say was Canada and NATO’s real motive during the Libyan war of regime change under the guise of protecting civilians.”

    It recalled that Qatar, one of the two Arab nations which took part in the NATO-led mission, supplied rebels French-made Milan anti-tank missiles, with deliveries made by sea. The country also gave them a variety of trucks and communications gear, while Qatari advisers slipped into Libya to provide training. It claimed that Egypt shipped assault rifles and ammunition, with U.S. support while Poland supplied anti-tank missiles and military vehicles.

    The Leader-Post has reported that Canada provided surveillance drones to rebels so that they could better attack Libyan troops, day or night.

    The report claimed that Canadians officials took an 18-hour boat ride from Malta to the NTC training facility in Misrata, sailing without problems through NATO’s blockade, to deliver the drones and showed the rebels how to fly the drone, using it to identify a Libyan military position.


  41. Tasbeeh Herwees :


    Helicopters Rain Fire Down On Benghazi, Libya

    | Benghazi, bombs, fire, Gaddafi, International, libya, Middle East, Protests
    Tasbeeh Herwees |
    February 19, 2011 | 9:54 a.m. PST

  42. At 0.18 in this CNN video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siy8fbNTdng by Jill Dougherty, the US Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, Jeffrey Feltman visits a Tripoli Hospital (uploaded Sept 14 2011) and a patient missing a hand is told that he had been shot by anti-aircraft weapons. Anti-aircraft weapons?!? replies Feldman in surprise. Obviously. Lots of v-signs...

  43. Hauslohner says :
    Human remains are still submerged in the sand at one of the first rebel camps that Gaddafi bombed from the air, outside the oil refinery at Ras Lanuf


  44. http://pinterest.com/pin/536561743074241703/

    لجنة تقصي حقائق بريطانية لم نجد اي دليل عن وجود قصف جوي للمدنيين من قبل القوات الليبية والقذافي بريء من التهمة #UN #NATO #Obama #Saudi #Libya

  45. On 2 March 2011, two weeks before the bombs began to fall, Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a Congressional subcommittee “that the Pentagon has no confirmation that Libyan strongman Muammar al Qaddafi is using his air force to kill civilians” (CBS News, 2 March 2011).

    On 22 March 2011, after the bombing had commenced, USA Today carried an article by Alan Kuperman of the University of Texas noting that, “Despite ubiquitous cellphone cameras, there are no images of genocidal violence, a claim that smacks of rebel propaganda.”

    Two weeks later Richard Haass, president of the U.S. Council on Foreign Relations, wrote that the “evidence was not persuasive that a large-scale massacre or genocide was either likely or imminent” in Libya (Huffington Post, 6 April 2011).


    It is now clear that there was no more “genocide” in Libya than “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq in 2003.

    Justifying military aggression with lies is a time-honored practice,
    as Adolf Hitler reminded his top commanders on 22 August 1939, as final preparations were underway for attacking Poland:

    “I shall give a propaganda reason for starting the war, whether it is plausible or not.

  46. 31 october 2012 , bombing the friends of 2011

    Mohamed Eljarh ‏@Eljarh

    Readings & Reports of imminent drone attacks on extremists' groups camps in #Libya by the #US #Sebha #Derna

  47. dec 2012 Minister of Defence – Mohammed Mahmoud Al-Bargati, Age 71
    Graduated from the Royal Military College, fourth group, 1962
    Certification from the US Air Academy, 1965

    Served as a Fighter Pilot, Military Attaché, Air Force Commander
    Resigned from Military Service, 1994
    The first to make presence at Benghazi Banina Airport during the first few days of 17 February Revolution
    hoissain warfalli 9 4 2011
    mohamed agelie 19 3 2011
    elmahdi elsemien 19 3 2011
    fakhree sallabi 19 3 2011

    apparently martyrs


  48. http://www.libyaherald.com/2012/12/18/libyan-fighter-jets-hit-suspected-smugglers-in-southern-militarised-zone/

    Tripoli, 18 December:

    Libyan airforce jets hit a camp being used by suspected smugglers on Tuesday morning, less than 48 hours after large swathes of the south were declared closed military zones.

    According to Al-Jazeera, the strike took place close to the border with Chad and Sudan, not far from Kufra. It is not reported if there have been any casualties.

    Last week, Prime Minister Ali Zeidan announced that any caravan or group crossing the border other than at official frontier posts would “dealt with” by aircraft or by land forces.

    On Sunday evening, the National Congress passed a resolution declaring the south closed and announcing that the borders with Niger, Chad, Sudan and Algeria would be temporarily closed.

    GNC members passed the exceptional legislation with a majority of 136, designating the areas around Ghadamis, Ghat, Awbari, Al-Shati, Sebha, Murzuq and Kufra as closed zones of military operations.


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