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Friday, October 28, 2022

How a Ukrainian Fake Confirms Russia on ZNPP Invasion Claims

October 28, 2022 

The Energodar "Dead Commandos" video was briefly posted as proof that Ukrainian forces had staged a brazen assault on the Russian-held city surrounding Europe's largest nuclear reactor. Some retracted that in embarrassment when the video was revealed to be a hoax. In this post, I aim to reclaim this hoax video as evidence in the same case, but from another direction.

Invasion: Energodar - a Real Assault or a Staged Play? 

In the hours before a high-level team from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was to visit, Early on September 1, a battle broke out at the Russian-occupied Zaporizhya Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) and the surrounding city of Energodar (or Enohodar). Ukrainian special forces allegedly crossed the Dnipro river and opened fire on Russian forces, trying to seize control of the area. It was surmised that Kiev's plan was to reclaim the nuclear plant, curtail the IAEA investigation there, and then use the agency's stay-on team as human shields while they launch attacks from the plant. Maybe they just wanted the ensuing battle to force the team back for their own safety and keep them from investigating the signs of Ukrainian shelling of the plant, as the Russians had requested. 

The importance of this allegation is highlighted by another alleged invasion attempt, on October 19 amid intensified Ukrainian shelling that knocked out power and water to the city. (RIA Novosti - RT) ...

Compiled reports at Athens News explain the September attack, as reported by pro-Russian local sources. Some 60 Ukrainian special forces operatives landed overnight "in the area of dachas north-east of the ZNPP and secretly occupied the initial lines of attack by 5 o'clock in the morning." That was when Ukrainian artillery opened fire on Russian forces at the ZNPP, hoping to crack the shell and let the commandos in. A larger second wave had set out from Nikopol in 2 barges to reinforce them, but Russian aircraft sunk these en route, "after which the entire capture plan was foiled, and part of the advanced assault group withdrew to the landing site, where it was pressed to the ground" and by 11 AM "now it is being finished off there." They also managed to squeeze in a shelling attack on "the alleged point of crossing the front by the IAEA mission." It sounds like no one escaped.

A crude mapping of the claims that came with this report, English labels added by me (black circle, "unknown wave" - see below):

Boris Rogozin "At the moment, 47 DRG fighters (infiltrators) have been killed, three have been taken prisoner (!), two are in serious condition between life and death. A group of 12 people is blocked on three sides and cut off from the water and boats, by 15:00 WHO will be finished. The operation was coordinated by MI6 officers from their headquarters in the suburbs of Kiev. All 64 people from the DRG have recently been trained in the UK and travelled from Warsaw to Odessa on 29 August.


Add 10/29:
AyazK tipped me off to a Rybar analysis including of barges used in the landing. Their infographic includes a view of one barge shown only half sunk and pouring smoke at the shore (mapped some ways west of the ZNPP - geolocation tweet), while another view they have claims to show one of several killed Ukrainian soldiers who washed up on the Nikopol shore. These 2 images are cropped together at right. 

Rybar also shows satellite images of two barges supposedly peeling off, on September 1, from a group of 12 long moored near Nikopol. "This happened for the first time in a year," they say. "With all our skepticism, we do not believe in the version about the insidious Russian sabotage and reconnaissance group that crossed the Dnieper, stole barges in Nikopol and drove them to the south coast to simulate the landing of Ukrainian troops on the south coast." End 10/29

I can't vouch for the details like numbers involved or whose plan it was, nor can I entirely prove there was an assault at all. But as I'll show, there probably was, and Ukraine's denials tend to confirm the fact. We'll need to consider the "Russian account" timeline of the attack:

* 5.20 first SOF team in place, artillery strikes from across the river. "Since 5:20 Energodar was subjected to the most severe artillery fire from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Arrivals were recorded in residential areas, reported dead and wounded civilians." (Rybar

* about 6 am the attack of the first wave of troops begins, and a second wave (2 barges) leaves Nikopol, expected arrival around 7.30.

* about 7.00 a.m. and after: "Russian aircraft (or helicopters) sank both barges with the second echelon, after which the entire capture plan was foiled, and part of the advanced assault group withdrew to the landing site, where it was pressed to the ground (now it is being finished off there)." 

* "at 8.00 the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine shelled the alleged point of crossing the front by the IAEA mission."

* before 8:59: video shows shelling on a street in Energodar on or near the IAEA route (depending what the route actually was)

* by 11 a.m.: the situation apparently settling but still not settled as fuller reports including deaths among the attackers emerge by 11:04, most claiming the violence was ongoing. 

Boris Rogozin at 11:04 AM local time: attack death toll of 47 so far, fighting expected to be done by 3PM. Yury Podolyak at 11:36 claimed "the loss of two platoons of the MTR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and up to the battalion of the second wave on barges. That is about 300-400 people. Without any result." Telegram: Contact @yurasumy at 11:56 "The Russians, of course, have already liquidated almost all of this Ukrainian landing force. There was no chance of survival. ... this strategy was prepared by NATO experts."

Key details, images and audio posted by the Ukrainian side are largely consistent with these reports even as they disputed the narrative behind the evidence. Video posted at 9:28 and again at 9:28 - shows a tank on Kurchatova Street by city hall (47.4916788,34.6632712), driving NE towards the coast as if for battle there. At 11:16 AM local time, Saint Javelin posted audio from Enegodar sounding like clashes between opposing forces in the near distance. Hromadske at 12:17 PM: Since 5 am "the Russian occupying forces have not stopped constant mortar shelling ... Machine guns can be heard. ... Later, the Mayor announced that the occupiers were firing mortars and machine guns, and involved aviation (helicopters were circling over the city)." The helicopter photo below was included with this tweet (geolocation seems possible, but I leave it to anyone else). 


UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric would say of the day's events “We are glad that the Russian Federation did what it needed to do to keep our inspectors safe,” It's not clear if that relates to stopping an alleged effort to seize the plant, or to nothing in particular, but it was read as "UN thanks Russia for keeping nuclear team safe." (RT)

However... Yevhen Yevtushenko, Head of the Nikopol District Military Administration: "the Russian army is shelling Enerhodar ... to create a suitable picture for the IAEA commission and to form a pool of local residents who, under the media’s cameras, inform the commission about the attack on the city from our side of the reservoir." Source: Yevtushenko on Telegram; Dmytro Orlov, Mayor of Enerhodar, on Telegram; Enerhodar City Council on Facebook. (UP)

More to the point: "Russia simulates fighting in Enerhodar by shelling the area near the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in order to disrupt a visit by an IAEA team, Andriy Yermak, the head of the Ukrainian President’s Office, said." (Euromaidan Press)

Coastal Shelling? 

One interesting angle of this I've been developing is the day's record of shelling attacks. team arrived at the plant - despite the morning's battle - The IAEA's September report (PDF) would fail to mention the battle (or staged performance?), and also notes no shelling or noteworthy developments at the ZNPP on this day. But Ukrainian sources said new "Russian" shelling of the plant triggered the emergency protection system and the 5th power unit was shut down." (Hromadske)  "A shell exploded near the first power unit. It is also reported that the reserve power supply line of the station at 330 kV was broken." (Rybar 9/1 9:28 am) A Sept. 1 Russian news video showed where a "Ukrainian" shell landed near the liquid nitrogen cooling station at the plant's south end, not far from reactor 1 ("first power unit"), blowing a crater in a raised mound, damaging a building to the west and some water pipes overhead. (video - geolocation - small view in the image below). 

This is the only ZNPP strike from the east that I've noticed, and it happened to come on this day when Kiev's forces might have new attack positions including to the east. 

This same morning, prior to a video posting at 8:58 AM local time, a shell was seen hitting a square next to a medical clinic in eastern Energodar (geolocated), from up the street to the northeast (my call). As it happens, it was quite near the IAEA's team's planned roue to the site, and was called a Russian attempt to stop them (Meduza). Podolyak mentioned Ukrainian shelling of "the alleged point of crossing the front by the IAEA mission," but this is probably another spot they'd pass well after "the front." And I'm not sure anyone knows the exact, planned route.

I noticed this trajectory from NE and the one at the plant from the east could well intersect at a coastal spot by Energodar (tweet or see here). Later I noticed another shell that day hit an apartment building across the street from the clinic impact. Hromadske Int. on Twitter. All three of these shells might have been fired from the same spot. One good option is shown below, 1.4 km from the clinic and apartment strikes, 6.8 km from the ZNPP impact. 

Landing sites given by Russian sources don't include this spot, and operational areas aren't clearly described. But maybe there was another landing here they didn't know about, or the ones they did had some guys sent this far in to launch some shells. Maybe the same people also escaped unnoticed and made it back to the north shore.

Kyiv Says it was All Staged, Stages Some "Proof"

It was all a Russian "simulation," according to the President's office, as noted above; "Russia simulates fighting in Enerhodar ... in order to disrupt a visit by an IAEA team" (Euromaidan PressBut the only ones caught simulating anything were some Ukrainian soldiers - likely involved in the real assault - playing dead on a beach. 

They caught themselves, and that was the idea. An edit of their video was posted  - apparently via some fake pro-Russian channel they ran (?), on the day after the assault, September 2. The idea was to trick Russian-affiliated channels into running the video as visual proof for the Russian reports of a foiled offensive

The bait was taken, by at least one channel. As Newsweek reported, Vladislav Pozdnyakov, who runs a right-wing pro-Russian Telegram channel "Male State" passed the video on, but then deleted that after "a Ukrainian channel posted the full video, showing some of the "dead" soldiers stand up, Bellingcat's Aric Toler first reported, noting that the footage was intended to trick Russia." 

New York Post: "it was all a sly ruse to embarrass the enemy. ... And it seems the ruse worked because the edited version of the clip showing the “dead” Ukrainians was picked up by Kremlin propagandist Vladislav Pozdnyakov. Immediately after Toler tweeted about the fake video, Pozdnyakov switched his Telegram channel to private. “Pozdnyakov is annoyed he got faked out,” Toler gloated in a tweet."

The video is viewable here, with some discussion, on Reddit, September 6. Toler has blocked me after ~0 contact, the dude is so "open-source", but ... here's his tweet linking to Pozdnyakov's post and to "The reveal of zombie soldiers from today." (9/6) post link: https://t.me/kristianudarov/855 (not visible to me) by Kristian Udarov, like the video stamp says. Is that the "Ukrainian Flag" conservative party leader? The MMA fighter? All the same? His Youtube channel looking like the fighter, and with patriotic flags. He seems well-connected. Was he involved in this?

AFAIK "Male State" is just as fake as the channel first publishing the video, or Pozdnyakov is not very bright. But either way, "multiple channels" on Telegram and others were fooled, and passed on this hoax video. It got around so that I had seen it on Twitter - in passing - and I didn't doubt it on first glance. I believed the reports of a foiled landing with losses, and this looked like video of that. If I had looked closer, I like to think I'd form doubts - there was not even an effort at fake blood anywhere - did they all suffer heart attacks? 

But others rejected the bait, some of them pointedly so. SITREP on Twitter, Sept 2: "IPsO shot a staged video of the corpses of their yesterday's failed landing party in #Energodar at #ZNPP and started spreading it in πŸ‡·πŸ‡Ί Telegram feeds. Tomorrow the πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ media will start refuting it and accusing the Russians of being fakers." In a second tweet: "the "πŸ‡·πŸ‡Ί" cameraman has a GRU commander's watch. In short, it doesn't work, you fools. You don't have to bother with denials, anything is clear." 

Replies largely ridiculed their assessment, like: "Your fake is so fake you had to say it's Ukrainian fake." But it was a Ukrainian fake, although SITREP were wrong about "tomorrow." It was a few days before the hoax was revealed, on or by September 6. Maybe they kept hoping more people would be fooled before they finally had Udarov call time on the operation. 

It was "intended to trick Russia" by showing them to be gullible, and therefore total liars. They nabbed "Male State," a few un-notable others. "It seems the ruse worked." It worked slightly better than the reckless, criminal, and hushed-up assault on Energodar they were probably engaged with just before this video stunt.

How Ukraine's Fake Video Confirms Russian Claims 

We know it was Ukrainian troops who staged this vide. Most of should realize that doesn't mean the whole alleged operation must be a lie. In fact, it might do more to support the "Russian" claims than to discredit them. I had to ask who, when, where, why, and why not.

Who? Russian reports sound like all attackers were killed, captured, or sure to be that way, with none escaped. But there may be a whole landing they didn't know about and some escapes they didn't notice or report, and this might be them. Otherwise, it's other soldiers who went to the shore to play out Russia's claims to make them seem fake. 

The one filming wears a Soviet-themed (costume?) wristwatch. Ukrainian GRU issue like SITREP said? The "killed" are only about six in number (not "3 dozen"). They wear patches someone else knows better. I see a sonnerad (Nazi black sun) on one of them. Similar patches are shown with US cash and such the "killed" were said to have on them. Simple props, obviously. 

When seems easy: it's 11:05 am by that man's watch. But it could be set wrong, and 11:05 on what day? I'm not sure. Is the first postings on Sept. 2 after or before 11:05? Can 9/2 be ruled out? Even if it can't be, I suspect this is filmed on the 1st, as the fighting was wrapping up across the river.

Where: on a washed-out strip of kind of north-south coast. The solar azimuth at that time on September 1 or 2 would be 145° SE (NOAA). This at right isn't exactly how to draw a 145° line, but it should give an idea. The local coastline is on an angle something like 45° different - so the coast here runs south, something like 190°. That's quite approximate, but it helps narrow things down.

To the east is the river with land visible a few kilometers beyond, and to the west, a cut bank all along, with small, dense trees along it - maybe an uphill path to the north - some land and/or larger trees extend out in the water to the north and to the south ... note this panoramic view makes the fairly straight coast seem to curve extremely.


I found no such spot around Energodar on the south bank, but a few possible matches back on the Ukrainian side. This one by Illinka (47.5849009,34.6683481) is the best fit and the closest, due north of Energodar's east coast (2 sub-spots - yellow box below)- trees in the water not so clear here or anywhere, but there are some right at the edge - maybe the water level has risen (but historically it seems quite steady - see Google Earth). A couple of other possible matches on the north shore noted here.

Why? The idea, presumably, was to cast all the Russian allegations as fake by getting them as attached as possible to something that was fake and under their control. But their denials and absurd counter-accusations would have been widely bought anyway, and succeeded well enough without this stunt. The unneeded help just adds to the reasons to believe Ukraine really did launch this brazen assault.

An offensive on Energodar would explain the mortar and rifle fire heard, the tanks and helicopters sent out, and the observed shelling that likely traces back to a coastal landing site. (Add 10/29) It would explain the 2 barges that set out, the one seen half-sunk, and the dead Ukrainian troops washing up. It would explain Kiev's allowance of an IAEA visit that they previously complained "would legitimise Russia's presence" at the ZNPP [Energoatom]. Maybe they meant to end that presence before the visit and have it legitimize their presence instead? 

And the reported offensive ending in deadly failure could explain Ukrainian forces staging this video at that place and at that time.

Allegedly, the assault had been routed, with deaths to explain away, sometime before the earliest report I've seen to mention deaths, at 11:04 am. One minute later, this video was made. Did they rush to the shore to stage this so quickly to discredit even earlier reports they heard? Maybe they already know about the alleged losses because they witnessed them actually occur? If barges were sunk, or the advance team never returned, or both, others would know pretty quickly. Their government couldn't admit to this mission or any related deaths. And they would soon be forced to deny the Russian claims. 

Any mission survivors might have time to discuss this on the crossing back, and decide the first thing they would do back on land is to play dead and make those claims seem fake. And, of course, other comrades on land could decide to do the same. Their bosses might appreciate it, you know, "just in case" the imminent Russian claims weren't fake enough on their own.

Why not? It would be a pretty astounding thing to most people - a plan to snatch a city and a nuclear plant with a military assault just hours before international inspectors were set to arrive. It would endanger or at least disrespect the IAEA, whose Director-General Rafael Mariano Grossi headed the team. It would risk forcing them back from their mission just to avoid the new and optional battle zone. Kiev was probably more than willing to risk that. I believe they did risk it, and largely for that reason. 

If they had done all this, we could surmise they have no interest in the truth, and no concern about anyone holding them to account. And true to that form, when their reckless violence was exposed, they resorted to victim-blaming denial and - here - to outright fakery in a "clever ruse" to make the Russians look like the fakers. As often happens, the Ukrainians failed in a ridiculous and criminal mission, and they failed at covering it up. It's only through massive external assistance and international embargoes on truth that this regime in Kiev avoids the embarrassment and accountability it deserves for its ongoing crimes against reality and against Humanity. 

Saturday, April 14, 2018

Douma CW Massacre: The "CW Barrel Bomb" That Wasn't There

Alleged Chemical Attack in Douma, April 7, 2018:
The "CW Barrel Bomb" That Wasn't There
(rough, incomplete)
April 14, 2018
edits/updates 4/16, 4/17, 4/21+22...
big updates May 6


So now president Donald Trump has attacked Syria for a second time, based on accepted claims of an illogical chemical weapons attack by the Syrian government. Some people, if not the bulk of the Western public, will wonder how firmly this decision was based in fact. 

This time the story was lodged in Douma, Damascus east Ghouta suburbs, on the night of April 7, as victory for the Syrian army was only held up by some strange delays by the ruling Islamists. Jaish al-Islam refused full surrender, then launched provocative artillery attacks on Damascus, prompting alleged counter-strikes including the destruction of a hospital, and two chemical attacks. JaI fully surrendered the next day after getting this story lodged before the world as what supposedly finally broke their will. Some more thinking may be in order on how this all adds up.

The apparently desperate act was first reported as a chlorine gas attack, and everyone agrees that's what they smelled. But the death toll was always too high, seemed to sudden (judging by the way they were piled up, like they were all crowded together and dropped suddenly, or just tossed in piles...). There were enormous amounts of foam from the victims' mouths and noses, which 'everyone knows' is caused by pretty much any chemical weapon. But miosis was reported, and secondary contamination...

Soon opposition groups and western agencies and governments had concluded there was an unidentified nerve agent mixed with the chlorine. In the age of sudden "Novichok fears," for some reason they won't specify sarin like usual. They claim it came from a "barrel bomb" as they call it, or a slightly modified chlorine gas cylinder, 44-liter, as allegedly used by the government before since 2014 to deliver chlorine gas. One was said to be dropped from a helicopter to fall on an apartment building, killing dozens. Maybe others landed somewhere else, affecting hundreds (700-1,000 total, including an earlier attack with just chlorine). 35-40 up to 85, over 100, 150, and even 180 have been reported or estimated to have died from the chemical. (this is basics overview - sources and details on all that elsewhere).

So far two related munitions have been shown. The first one we saw came in a bizarre scene covered for now at the main article, to be refined and moved sometime. The second one we were shown is more interesting and of clearer (alleged) relevance - it was seemingly directly above the 30 or so people found dead and shown widely on the Internet. But as I'll show, it seems:'
- the thing wasn't there when its alleged impact occurred before April 7
- it was likely there but seeming staged atop prior damage on the night of the alleged attack
- it remained a strangely intermittent piece of evidence thereafter.


The When and Where
The location is somewhat disputed. Open-source investigator/propagandists, Bellingcat picked a spot for their analysis. The opposition Violations Documentation Center (VDC) gave a different spot in their report, but seems to have just marked the mosque it was reportedly near; they didn't have an exact location. That's odd, as the VDC is, or was originally, based right in Douma. This image uses their graphic, with Bellincat's spot added, and notes. 

Michael Kobs for a moment thought the scenery matched the spot VDC gave, but it doesn't really, I think we all agree now. (see comparison images here and note Kobs had somewhat led the public investigation of this incident, generally very well but with this one error anyway) I'm not sure, but the Bellingcat spots seems like a good  fit. 

Wherever it is, the site visited by the oddly victorious Russians on April 9 is the same that held the bodies (see comparisons at Bellingcat). They and Kobs agree on where the gas cylinder is seen, at least roughly, from the view to the north. I didn't bother verifying that part. Whether the tank is on that same roof and truly above all those bodies is less clear, but seems most likely to me. The relevance of the following rests on that connection, so any doubts will merit some further attention.


Two Views of the Gas Cylinder
So here's the canister, most common view from a White Helmets tweet of April 10:

The cameraman shows a phone with the time 7:02 pm given in Eastern Arabic numerals (and Araic letter m for PM). The video is clearly filmed at about that time - it's visibly just after sunset, and that was 6:59, according to the NOAA solar calculator. The date is less clear in itself, and it could be on the 8th, but I see no good reason to doubt that it's the 9th. The logic of showing it and the time and place is strongest after the Russian visit of that day, where the Russians denied seeing it, or where the activists expected them to announce that

From the start we can see this tank has no collar to hold the fins so it falls right, as we see with the first tank that landed on a bed. Maybe it fell off? It still seems to have come in nose-down like it's supposed to. It allegedly punched a hole about big enough to pass though, but then strangely it just came to rest there. There's an odd dark color at the front, with an angle that seems like a clue. In the presence of chlorine gas, these tanks seem to rust corrosively, but this doesn't appear rust colored.  I don't know of any sure cause for this blackening, but looks like perhaps smoke residue from a fire. And there are no obvious ruptures anywhere, not that we can see it very well from different angles (such tank bombs usually release the gas by splitting open crudely on impact). It's possible the curved valve end is broken and  that the cylinder released gas here. But it's also entirely possible it didn't.

Now, we also have a less-seen view of this tank filmed in full sunlight at mid-day. Here's a tweet Bellingcat founder Eliot Higgins posted (on the 9th at 0400 (Twitter time) or 3 PM in Syria). and then deleted. The right view is of canister 1, covered elsewhere. The left view is clearly a video still, but a different one (shown in full below). That video is apparently private, not released, Higgins says, for fear it could identify the guy filming, and open him to harassment (Qoppa 999). He might say that's why he deleted the tweet with one still including ... those unique shoes? But it's not an issue for the guy holding his damaged phone up to the screen in the other video? (not that he made the call to release that one - the White Helmets did, on the 10th, but didn't seem worried about the issue). Or is there a different reason he zapped this?

Michael Kobs caught this with the screen capture, and noted: "The tweet deleted by Eliot Higgins proves some serious manipulation of the chlorine cylinder. Probably this is the reason why he deleted it. Compare the deleted version to the later White Helmet version." I think this is true. White Helmets sunset video:


Higgins mid-day scene (note also a video still):


Higgins also says "I saw photos of the same scene at 6:12pm Syrian time on April 8th. Photos, not screenshots of the video." Taking that, the scene was set up on the 8th, even if this video was taken on the 9th. I'd like to see these photos someday.

But with just these two views, filmed from the same angle, we can see the cylinder has been rotated at least. There's less black coating visible and more white dust, one of the holes in the base is visible in the mid-day shot, and different rusty scratches are seen (more detailed analysis perhaps in time). Here it seems to be laid at a different overall angle too, and resting its nose end on a metal scrap as well as some intact but compressed rebar inside, and an intact edge of the hole. Is this accident of junk what kept it from falling in? No, clearly not.

<add 4/22>Note: there should be two holes in the base rim, opposite each other. On the early view, one is seen, about in the center. In the later view, neither hole is visible. This means the rotation between views is just about 90 degrees.<end>

Considering those points, it seems quite possible the tank was not just shifted round, but removed entirely and then put back differently in between videos. That seems all but impossible to either prove or rule out, so keep this in mind.

(side notes on times: By sun, I'd say the mid-day view is shot around 1:00 pm, as Kobs estimates with more rigor. The date isn't clear. This could be from the 9th, as it was about 3 pm there. I will tentatively presume that's the case, but it could be filmed the day before. Note how the pieces of concrete slide with the movement, a red thing is tossed in the corner and a stick atop it, etc. Such clues suggest only that the sunset video is later than the mid-day one, so not on a previous day. They could both be on the 8th, hypothetically, or on the 9th, or the mid-day video on the 8th and the sunset one on the 9th, just not vice-versa. Metal scraps move around, the blanket of unclear use might be new, etc.)


The layout, presuming same place, to help understand - the street-level entrance shon on opposition and Russian visit videos is on the south side. The canister is seen on the north balcony. For comparison, Google Earth view of 3-20-13 with the true orientation.

The south balcony seems to have an outer wall, but no roof. The north one had some kind of awning, damaged frame remaining. Below is Michael Kobs' composite from street level, including where bodies where found (note: none seen in the basement, where it's said they died - the basement is never shown):


Why Didn't the Russians Report It?
The Russian investigators did get to the site where bodies were shown, on the 9th and at a time I estimate around 2:45-3 pm from sun angles, just a couple of hours after the mid-day cylinder video (if that was filmed the same day). They report finding no sign of a chemical attack. That presumably includes nothing odd in the basement, no chemical traces detected anywhere, and no chlorine cylinder on the roof, or anywhere they looked. They videotaped the whole thing. Were they taken to the roof, or rather the north balcony? I'd like to see any video they have of this if so, and if not, how can one claim a full inspection of a supposed aerial attack site without investigating the roof? They could easily have sent a drone to inspect it as well. 

But the two video views are shown as poof the Russians were lying. They seem to show the cylinder was there at the attack time (presumed, I mean, how else would people die there?), and still there perhaps just before the Russian visit (if same day, about 2 hours before), and there after sunset on the 9th, presumably, or about 4 hours after the inspection. The Russians seems to not see it in between videos. Someone has moved it around in between videos. Conclusions to draw from that will vary, but let's get these details laid out together so we can start.

I'll propose the local activists literally removed it to trick the Russians into this 'blatant denial.' They would move it as little as possible, but to somewhere they could keep the Russians from looking. There would be hand-sized patches of dust at least wiped off.

I'll leave it to 'credible professionals' and Bellingcat et al. to propose the Russians tried to physically remove it but failed, left it there, and tried blatant denial instead. 

Project: did the Russians deny CW signs publicly prior to sunset on the 9th? If not, there's no public reason to make that 7:02 video to prove them wrong - unless they had some other reason to anticipate that they would be reporting that. Maybe they knew they had removed it after the mid-day video, and predicted the Russians would report the truth of what they saw - the stupid saps, walking right into traps. 

Late Arrival to the Crime Scene
More Views of the Gas Cylinder
<Add 4/17> New imagery was published in the last day. CBS News sees the canister, about as seen.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/syria-inside-douma-the-site-of-apparent-chemical-attack-2018-04-16/
In better resolution, from outside and inside, Swedish TV4 also shows us more.
video 1, w/inside view https://www.tv4play.se/program/nyheterna/3967012
video 2, w/basement story https://www.tv4play.se/program/nyheterna/3966948

Comparing the TV4 interior view with the night-time view, something surprising happened. I debunked my own leading argument (at the moment).  That was the hole in the roof, looking onto some mysterious glow, with no gas cylinder jammed in to block the view. Not just me - everyone who saw this agreed.
In this longer video: https://twitter.com/amer_almohibany/status/982859028324929536
at 1:30, they reach the uppermost floor and step into a dark room - the camera pans up to  a blob of light crossed by bars looks like a hole in the roof onto ... some kind of light outside. Below is a useful enhanced composite view from Michael Kobs.

But ... Guess what? It no longer leads. There are many other points, but in need of refinement I wasted here. The old text and images are almost useless now, but remain below until I decide what to salvage, etc. New notes after the new image.

https://twitter.com/CL4Syr/status/986215986578604032







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Notes (partial, to be improved as needed):...hate to do this, but I think the hole is bigger, the sky is seen though it and it appears black, the cylinder is there, and it's what we took for the hole to a light source that remained mysterious. Rather, this is the camera light reflecting off the tank's yellow paint, through the surface grit, apparently. It seems oddly bright, but note it matches perfectly, explaining why one part of the "hole" seems brighter than the other part, and why the difference is curve-shaped. That odd slat of metal it rests on is there. 
Basically I layered the scenes so they matched about 98%, skewing the TV4 view to fit the other (Kobs, with cleaner 'hole' added, enhanced). In the left image, the darker ring doesn't mean this is the hole, it's just more enhanced, Should fix that... But in spots, it almost marks the hole, which seems about as large then as it is now. The hanging part doesn't line up due to different perspective (cropped off here), but ceiling features do, about 98%. After that, everything just starts lining up - the rebar, the corner slat it rests on, the 'hole' and the reason one part is lighter, etc.

I was stumped and disappointed about this for a minute or two. Then excited to own the inevitable destruction of this point, instead of someone else. Note: this is the same scene we still consider pretty fake-seeming. It just existed at attack time (this to be explored in some detail in another spot). And it still gets moved around later, as shown above. It's still the "CW barrel bomb" that maybe wasn't there when the Russian investigators were let in. Separately, my original guess on hole correlation and thus angle of canister below were also wrong. It was a fair enough guess fom what I had, and the whole issue is now moot.<end 4/17>

<4/18>There are still those who think this must be a hole that just happens to be that shape, or alternately that this is a different canister, one that's cleaner, more reflective, free of scratches. But I maintain the shape of the canister, likely hole, rebar, and added slats, all are undeniable. The appearance of the cylinder is still almost bizarre - like a ghostly night vision or photo negative ffect or something. But I se too little reason they would set this up with anything other than the common yellow tanks they have all over, have used frequently, and would be blaming here. The weird glow is  probably down to surface reflectivity, light type, image processing in the camera, and possibly video editing to give us a random false lead. Or possibly another tank they swapped out later and then moved around. But it's not a small, canister-shaped hole where a larger hole and everything else we see would later be.<end 4/18>
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Was it There When it Landed?
(added 4/21)
So far, two points of presence are questioned, and one of those was quickly answered 'oops, it apparently was there.' Now let's go further back in time, to when this thing first allegedly crashed into the roof.

By reports, this happened the night of the 7th, depending on your source at around 7PM, around 9PM, or even 10:22PM. The first view we get is the night video showing the not-hole in the ceiling. I'm not sure what time that is, but it and related images were online by around midnight. Various clues suggest a decent time span has passed since these people died - at least an hour, maybe 3 hours or more; it's hard to say. 

The views of the room interior are very limited. Some bits will be included for comparison. The better view is from Swiss Swedish TV4, but filmed much later - April 16 or so.
night video (see 1:35): https://twitter.com/amer_almohibany/status/982859028324929536
TV4 (first 15 seconds) https://www.tv4play.se/program/nyheterna/3967012

By this time anyway, people have laid domestic items: clothing, bagged blankets, perhaps diapers, a basket, etc. on top of the rubble. Someone has also started a fire on top of the rubble. It seems it was pretty energetic from the stains, started with lighter fluid. Allegedly, the rubble is all from that night's gas cylinder impact, so all this activity must be after that as well. How long after?

Comparing the night-of video, I can't yet correlate any of the seen objects, nor correlate where the red oriental rug gives way to rubble. But from another view, we can see the basic picture of rubble, then things laid on top, is present then, just a few hours after the alleged attack. It's possible someone came in here after the gas attack to set some things aside. But why? And why didn't they drop dead here?

<add 4/22>Michael Kobs and others with some relevant adds:
room and floor confusion: Kobs explains "There is a small room with carpet, the white brick and the gray backpack (?) before the room with the window. When you enter the window room then the pile of black ash is to the left in the corner (also seen from above through the hole. The window is the same."
https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/987998721685229568

gray bag, red carpet area comes before rubble area
https://twitter.com/HRIMark/status/988017218737799169

window correlation, possibly the bundle of blankets?
https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/988332650795544576

What I think happened: this place was hit with a projectile or small bomb some time ago. It was fairly small and heavy, probably smaller in diameter than this gas cylinder. It fully entered, bending the bar where seen, tearing the cross-bars free there, ripping that long segment of material down and to the right with its main force, and a smaller segment to the left. That doesn't happen when the object just hits it from above and then stops.

The grid of reinforcing bar was pushed down or projected shockwaves, causing the lines we see like scratches: concrete disrupted along the grid lines. The material shaken free of the rebar cage fell all over the floor, leaving that concavity in the ceiling, including the proper hole all the way though. Then later, someone placed these domestic items here for no particular reason, and started the fire, and placed the gas cylinder. The order is only partially clear.

The fire is mysterious, possibly related to the events here. Its smoke perhaps coated to ceiling and upper corners of the room, and likely caused the smoke stains we see on the portion of the cylinder right above the hole - see TV4 view below.  This would be the underside at that time, later rotated. (note the cut-off line compared to hole edge - the 'parted hair' down the middle would be the original bottom, with smoke dividing to roll up either side). The rotation seen in Higgins' deleted tweet video still is likely, but not certainly, the original position at the time.  

In the night-time video, it's hard to see if there are these smoke stains on the walls or signs of that fire. That could be added later yet, or present at the time - unclear at the moment.

So the canister was added before the fire, but not necessarily before the hole was made. If it was the impacting object as alleged, it would probably be more damaged, as well as inside the room, if it had punched that hole. And the gap in the rebar might have to be bigger. It's possible an object like this would hit and not fully penetrate, but that would not explain the flung material we see, nor the exact way this seems to have stopped.

It's not really jammed into the rebar, but resting freely on top of it, easily rotated between views as we saw above. Considering the views show from above and below, it seems the canister's nozzle end rests on one or another segment of rebar (apparently the straight one, with the other bending beneath it) and two thin, twisted slats of metal that crisscross the hole, also resting on the rebar grid. There's also a piece of the broken concrete the slid into the area, probably not part of the arrangement.

How on Earth can a flying projectile violently puncture the ceiling, and have pieces of debris suddenly get underneath it?

Clearly, these things are not part of the impact violence, but were added later. But why? It might seem like they help keep it from falling in, but it doesn't seem like It would fall in anyway, with too small a gap. The slats cover the valve so we can't see it clearly - is that why? Did they help deflect the gas more down into the room, for example? Anyway, it seems clearly set up after impact.

But oddly, those same slats there at night. Even that stray piece of concrete is already there (green). There might be something else at the time right over the nozzle area, or that might be a shadow - unclear. Did someone climb up there and prop it up like that within a couple hours, as it was spewing gas?

No. It was probably arranged like this before gas release, if there was any. The fire might cause enough heat to burst the valve and start release, for instance (depending on pressure of fill, it might stay put).  But I'm not convinved it even released any gas - it might have just been placed there full or empty, not emitting anything and just to create the impression of a CW attack.

<add 4/22>That bit of concrete marked green - it's there in post-attack videos. It's there the night of the 7th. But further above, I noted it had not slid into place in the deleted Higgins photo, only by the time of the WH video. I took those both as April 9 videos, but unless that piece slid into the hole, was later pushed back in place, and slid back again at the same angle - that's possible - that deleted photo might be from before the night-of video, from April 7 or earlier.


Michael Kobs and others with some relevant adds:

10:55 first known posting of scene photos
https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/987975214834376706

floor plan, first floor
https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/987663151230586880
(with a body noted later...)

canister 3-D
https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/986908965626941440
https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/986952981533921280

prior damage noted
https://twitter.com/ilmastoblogi/status/986150563388821505
https://twitter.com/Deus_Abscondis/status/987667873739956225
windows blown out (complicating the creep of deadly gas all the way down that stairwell, out the front door, in the other dorr, and down to the basement...)
Many circumstantial signs that the apartments here weren't inhabited. It seems deserted, if not long-deserted. But that could be a false impression.
<end 4/22>

Review (updated 4/21)
* Unknown day before April 7: damage probably caused by something other than the cylinder (it's not there yet)
* Midnight April 7/8, just after attack: cylinder seemingly there now
* Sometime April 8: cylinder there, unseen photos
* App. 1 pm April 8 or 9: video of cylinder there (seen frame)
* App. 3 pm April 9: Russian investigators visit, apparently find it not there (can we have video for that part?)
* 7:02 pm April 9 (presumed): video of cylinder there, but in a different position, rotated and angled differently
* Thereafter: so far it appears to have stayed in the second position

May 6 Updates: Fire and Frost
Upon more review, I can add these important thoughts with some ... I've come to hate this phrase ... "a hugh degree of confidence." Various closeups have emerged to clarify the valve is clearly missing. It would look like this sticking out, as the bedrest cylinder shows. How it left is a mystery. The valve assembly screws into the inner neck, so we can't see enough to say if it was snapped off in-place, popped out against the screw-thread, or manually unscrewed. That's an important question we'll come back to.

Russia 1 report notes the intact thread on the outside of the neck as suggesting the valve was manually unscrewed, but that's a red herring: this is where the protective outer cap would go. Of course that would be removed. Added note: that outer neck and the nearby metals has small, wolly fibers attached, as Russia 1's footage shows. This is almost surely from when it was grabbed to move.  The fibers are all beige colored, so not likely the same beige and red blanket seen nearby. What I'd really like to see is  a close-up like this from before it was rotated to see if it already had fibers then... (note: the wire is not connected, except by blanket fibers)

Next: I had belittle the frost explanation for that white-looking cylinder. But it seems to be the case that chlorine gas containers will frost over when the gas is released. As I gather (provisional), it's stored in the tanks as a liquid, or becomes one upon puncture, or ... and first leaks as a fluid, until the level is too low (below the leak point), at which point it boils into gas (well below room temperature) and seeps out that way. It's called auto-refrigeration, and it'll tend to happen on the underside of the container, as shown here in theory and seen somewhat in this real case, from nearby Hamouriya, not much earlier (specifics aside ,Al-Jazeera video, via Charles Wood tweet, stills shown here).

Based on that idea, the above example must be on a slight incline so the nozzle end is higher (note: this is not the same cylinder recycled for Douma). So presumably, the Douma video's bright white cylinder is that underside frost, suggesting the cylinder is releasing its contents, presumably chlorine. It's probably more than half empty at that moment, with only the underside of the angled-down front end verifiably frosted. How long has it been releasing? Not sure, but probably on the scale of (a few) hours, not minutes or days. It's a reasonable fit with the lodged story, as far as I know.

So this pans out, but there's still no way this amount of chlorine, less than one canister's worth, from that hole, would cause dozens of deaths two floors below. By itself it would cause about zero: people don't pass out and die suddenly. They cough and leave the site as fast as possible. With chlorine nerve agent mixtures ... there are too many questions to say either way.

And further, the impact damage still makes little sense. As noted, the rubble was there before the blankets and such were placed, and before the fire was set, which was clearly after the canister arrived. So it seems possible the canister made the hole, if that makes much sense (it doesn't). As noted, these items are already an the rubble before the night-of-attack video was filmed. Furthermore, hat tip to Andrew (comments), the fire was also there before they arrived.  See night video compared to later: same areas are blackened already to the left and right of the window. Layered Russia 1 footage with night video, some perspective issues I didn't fix, but basic scaling is right. Apparent smoke edged painted in for each image and compared favorably.



The flickering flames suggested by yhe edge of the smoke stains suggest the window was open, letting in a breeze to feed the fire. The only difference is the curtains on the right were there that night but have been taken down since then. This is seen on the ground later - likely torn down with the idea it would help cover something up, but they changed plans.

And the ceiling appears to be darkened already. The normal, lighter beige color only appears at some cracks.  https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/990293667582799872

This is the lighter-stained side closer to the door - the far side would be darker, as well as further from the camera's light source. Looking about the opposite way, here's the best view of the smoke damage that was caused after the chlorine tank was there, but before the late-night post-attack video (Reuters photo). Note also two spots that look quite white, one with drips. Someone scrubbed the smoke off two spots. (Kobs). Maybe this was a test, before they decide washing it all off would take too long, and they may as well leave this bad sign and hope no one made much of it.


So we must have this clear order:
1) impact event / cylinder placement
2) items set and fire lit atop the rubble
3) night-of-attack video showing rubble, canister, items and the marks of the fire all in place.

Step 1 is presented as simultaneous, the same thing. But I think there's a time gap of at least days between them; they set the canister (step 1b) next to the pre-existing damage (step 1a, done by whoever and whenever), to have a fire lit beneath it (step 2).

fusible plus NOT indicated
Why the fire? This was already proposed in discussions on Twitter, and I come back to it as a pretty good guess. The black plastic plug sticking out of the valve's top is (as I gather, provisional) There is a safety valve designed to melt away in case of fire, to allow the gas to release more peacefully by a hole there rather than explode in the fire. (so far so good?) That would be "stem" in the diagram at right. ...(that would take forever to melt. It's just the screw you turn to open the outlet - plastic for some good reason, I'm sure)

Added later: new graphic shows where this safety outlet - the fusible plug - usually is: set into one side, opposite and maybe just below the outlet. It's usually made of a low-melting point metal, not plastic. There's a poured kind, and a screw-in kind at least. (Wikipedia agrees on the purpose as I described) The rest of this line of thinking applies.<end add>

I don't know these things and research time is limited, but BubSlug says on Twitter  "melting range of the fusible plug is 70 to 73C, so easily melted by the sooty fire someone lit." Some sources I saw agree on the app. temperature range, but opinions differ on whether this fire would be hot enough. I propose if it's safety they're after designing this thing, it'll melt fairly easily, and if that was the plan to melt it, they'd turn it the right way, etc, as possible. So...

As I now suggest: the fire was lit to melt the fuse. That's what let the chlorine leak out, and thus caused the frosting we see, briefly covering the smoke that's already there.

Charles Wood adds "If the fuse was melted the valve assembly would still be there and the rate of liquid release reasonably low as the fuse hole is quite small." Also, it would have a weird looking melted-away safety fuse, right above an odd, post-impact fire that might have caused that. Assad chlorine bombing, failed but aided by a fire set beneath it ... that doesn't sound as compelling as a reason to increase attacks on Syria. Better avoid sorting this all out. Get Bellingcat on that.

That would be stupid, if it's caught this easily. But if you had a chlorine tank you needed to pop open, what would you propose? The stuff isn't very deadly, unless a lot sprays right in your face and up your nose. Leaving the valve assembly visible would be even dumber. Faced with dumb and dumber options, I'd say they chose well enough.

A complication or question: I want to say "Now maybe we know why they decided to have those slats placed there, so we never did see the valve's status. They weren't for support. They were to cover up where they obviously removed that crucial part of the evidence." But as noted, the slats are already there too at the time of the night video. Did someone remove the valve already? Likely enough. It may not be actively leaking any more, and even if it is, someone with the slightest protection should be able to do that by hand in a few seconds with no problems, once the majority of the gas was released. I imagine it's the pressurized part that makes opening a full cylinder so dangerous. Or maybe the slats were there to help conduct heat to the fuse and melt it steadily, and/or to cover it up until the valve could be removed, to avoid anyone seeing it place to compare in embarrassing before-and-after images?