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Monday, May 30, 2011

World Leaders Oppose Libya Cease-Fire

May 30 2011

Below is much of an encouragingly sane (or naïve?) take, run in the prominent UK Guardian, on NATO's Libya campaign and the range of desirable (or acceptable, or even possible) outcomes. Some rather encouraging comments (and a few frustrating ones), worth a read, also follow the piece.

Why no mention of a ceasefire for Libya, Obama?
The best way to protect desperate Libyan civilians is for Nato to reverse its mistake of taking sides
Jonathan Steele
guardian.co.uk, Friday 27 May 2011 23.00 BST

Beware ministers' claims that a military campaign is making slow but steady progress. It nearly always means the opposite. If "progress" was really being made in Libya, why would it be necessary for Britain and France to send attack helicopters? Why would General Sir David Richards, the chief of the defence staff, call for Nato to bomb infrastructure in Tripoli?

Above all, why has Barack Obama used his European tour this week to abandon his public caution and make it clear that regime change is now the western objective in Libya? The more Nato escalates in word and deed, the clearer it is that the campaign has stalled. What is going on in Libya is civil war but one that is stalemated, and has been so for at least a month. Gaddafi's forces will not be able to recapture Benghazi and the other major cities of eastern Libya just as the rebels will not be able to capture Tripoli. In light of this, Nato is doing all it can to assassinate Gaddafi in the fragile hope his death will lead to his regime's implosion and rebel victory by a different route.
On the bolded, NATO: "How dare you, sir! We never target individuals! However, if we happen to carefully target a building with him and/or his family inside it, or religious leaders seeking a peaceful resolution inside of it, it's not our fault if we then call it a 'command and control bunker.'"

The word absent from Obama's remarks this week, as well as from Sarkozy and Cameron, is "ceasefire". An "immediate ceasefire" was one of the main demands of the UN security council resolution, which also authorised a no-fly zone at the start of the crisis, but it has been consistently ignored by Nato. On Thursday, almost unreported anywhere, an African Union summit called for a halt to Nato's airstrikes as well as a ceasefire and negotiations on transforming Libya into a democracy.

The same evening the Libyan prime minister, Al-Baghdadi Ali al-Mahmoudi, said for the first time that his government was ready to talk to rebel leaders to prepare a new constitution. Meanwhile, Abdul Ilah al-Khatib, the UN secretary general's special envoy on Libya, has been quietly shuttling between Tripoli and Benghazi, trying to broker a ceasefire and talks.

The obstacles are mainly on the rebels' side. Flushed with military support from Nato, they insist that Gaddafi must leave power before any ceasefire. Sending Apache helicopters and escalating Nato's offensive role only hardens the rebels' intransigence and further delays a political resolution.
This is nothing new, really. Many efforts have been made, but neither side has been able to meet the other's mutually exclusive demands. And the rebels and the NATO bloc has just watched these flitting efforts die, with quiet pleasure, like tiny moths in a bug zapper.
Nato officials promptly kicked the Libyan government's offer of a ceasefire into the long grass, insisting it is "not credible". How can they know that? They claim previous ceasefire offers were shams since Gaddafi's forces never acted on them. But if they are to stick, ceasefires have to be mutual and the rebel side has never offered one. First, they wanted to be saved from defeat, and the initial Nato strikes achieved this for them. Then they thought Nato would help them win so they saw no value in stopping fighting.

The time has come to test the latest ceasefire offer by accepting it in principle and working out a monitoring mechanism. The best way to protect Libya's desperate civilians is for Nato to reverse its mistaken policy of taking sides. It should declare support for the talks on transition that the Libyan government now says it favours.
Fat chance. That does NOT meet the main objective - the subduction and restructuring of Libya and the looting of its wealth. Watch this effort to fail too, even if it shouldn't.


  1. Tunisia to extradite former Libyan prime minister
    Al Arabiya English May 22 2012
    Tunisia will extradite former Libyan prime minister Baghdadi al-Mahmoudi, held since his arrest last September, home to Libya, the justice ministry said Tuesday.

    “The extradition decision has been taken,” a ministry official told AFP. “There are only the procedures to complete with the Libyan authorities.”

    “It is a disgrace for human rights in Tunisia and for the Tunisian revolution,” Mabrouk Kourchid [lawyer for Mahmoudi] told AFP.

    Mahmoudi’s lawyers and human rights groups say he will be executed if he returns to Libya..

  2. Tripoli, 19 May:
    Libya’s Minister of Economy, Ahmed Khoshly, signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with his Tunisian counterpart yesterday in Tunis in the areas of economics, trade and joint projects.

    The MoU included studying the ways in which the joint border regions could be developed to create job opportunities so as to lead to their stability and reduce negative activities such as the smuggling of goods.


    Mahmoudi extradition agreed,

    Bhiri has announced that an agreement was reached on the issue during last week’s visit to Tunis by Prime Minister Abdurrahim Al-Kib.

  3. -[Last month the Court of Tozeur in southern Tunisia] acquitted Al-Mahmoudi, who was detained for attempting to illegally cross the border with Algeria

    Joanne ♌ Leo ‏@FromJoanne
    #Flash "Trial of Buzeid #Dorda and other symbols of the former Gaddafi regime will begin on June 5 in a courthouse in #Tripoli,"

    -Tunis’ Court of Appeals ruled in favor of handing over a former Libyan official and godson of the late leader Muammar Gaddafi, Miled Abu Ratab Abdul Salaam, to authorities in Tripoli.

    -And this is what #Gaddafi Loyalists abroad look like http://bit.ly/LTVmxb Incl. Green Flags #BaghdadiMaghmoudi #Tunisia/Joanne ♌ Leo ‏


  4. -prime minister Baghdadi Mahmudi offered on Sunday a truce to the visiting UN special envoy to Libya, Abdul-Ilah al-Khatib, in return for an immediate NATO ceasefire, as an anti-regime revolt entered a fourth month. (AFP/Saeed Khan)

    His country, he added, was committed to the unity of its territory and people and that Libyans had the right to "decide on their internal affairs and political system through democratic dialogue away from the bombing threat."

    -The head of Britain's armed forces, meanwhile, said NATO should widen its bombing campaign to ensure Kadhafi is unable to cling to power, while Pope Benedict XVI called for negotiations to end the violence.

    General David Richards, Britain's chief of the defence staff, meanwhile told Britain's Sunday Telegraph more military action was needed against the Libyan strongman.
    The general said he wanted NATO member states to support the targeting of Kadhafi's regime, not just targets which pose an immediate threat to civilians, such as tanks and artillery.

    -Tripoli, 19 May 2012:
    Libya’s Minister of Economy, Ahmed Khoshly, signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with his Tunisian counterpart yesterday in Tunis in the areas of economics, trade and joint projects.Mahmoudi extradition agreed,

  5. http://www.libyaherald.com/deputy-pm-abushagur-heading-back-to-mauritania-discussions-to-include-al-senussi/
    Deputy PM Abushagur heading back to Mauritania; discussions to include Al-Senussi

    By George Grant
    Libya is looking to develop closer cooperation with Mauritania on a number of fronts, in particular trade and investment.

    Crucially, however, Libya is also hoping to secure agreement from the government in Nouakchott to hand over Abdullah Al-Senussi for trial.

    #Libya Dep. PM @MustafaAG is abt 2go2 #Mauritania to discuss wait4 it... trade and investment Yep ..

    @misrati_free @Rana_J01 well at least its good Abushagur @MustafaAG goes and not Jalil ...Jalil has had it with O(u)ldAbdelAziz

  6. -Meanwhile, Prime Minister Abdurrahim Al-Kib has denied that Libya was preventing the return of Egyptian workers to Libya to put pressure on Cairo to hand over Qaddafi exiles in Egypt.

    He was speaking on the sidelines of the national reconciliation conference in Zliten.

    -Report Libya: NATO is hunting for Green Supporters in Tunisia and Niger and algeria and Egypt. NATO mandate is infinite beyond law and logic /14 Nov 2011

  7. http://www.jeel-libya.net/show_article.php?id=25983&section=4
    list of people the New Libiya is hunting at since 20/03/2011

    connected with :
    h_eldressy: Victims were arrested in buslim ain zara, jdayda, Drebi, sorman, el jmel, masour daw & ali el kilani farms in the airport rd @libyaoutreach
    Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:45:14 +0000
    libyaoutreach Libya Outreach :Qatari weapons reaching Freedom Fighters in Libyan mountains goo.gl/0T5A2 #Libya #FF #Zintan

  8. http://pomed.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/press_release_libya.pdf
    Freezing the international assets of the Gaddafi family as well as senior
    officials. contact: hafed al ghwell libiya outreach group ,
    Washington – Feb. 22, 2011

    Asset Freezing Unit
    The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) is responsible for overall policy on international sanctions including the scope and content of international sanction regimes

    The Obama Administration, through the U.S. Open Government Partnership Action Plan and its
    Strategy to Combat Transnational Organized Crime, also supports legislation to stop states from
    allowing secretive front companies to be set up.



    1. How the UK Government Froze Gaddafi’s Assets

  9. the libiya outreach group based in ... seems to hunt finances too :

    Financial Report: LIBYA ,June 10, 2011
    Prepared by: Libya Outreach Group
    Executive Summary

    Chicago , Cleveland , DC, Kariman Elmuradi, one of the founders of Libya Outreach;Libyan activist Hafed Al-Ghwell, who lives in Virginia, is loosely organizing and making phone trees back home to confirm facts.



    MAY 27: On Friday, Libya's former central bank governor, Farhat Omar Bin Guidara, declared that he had defected from the Qaddafi regime and would be joining the rebels. Bin Guidara said that "I left Libya on Feb. 21

  10. http://scoops.co/f02UZ9BK
    DUBAI—The new leader of Libya's sovereign-wealth fund Rafik Nayed said he has recommended that an independent committee investigate all past investments

    The lawyer hired by the Libyan embassy to handle the groundbreaking case is Mohamed Shaban.

    wonder who gave NGO: Global Witness the right to be the boss of money of certain countries :

    Global Witness is very worried that UNCAC will wind up toothless. We took some props to Doha to help get the message across. Watch the results.
    Contact: In Doha ...

    Global Witness, meanwhile, recommended that the current Libyan government publish all existing and future oil contracts, and to work with international audit organizations to improve accounting practices at the National Oil Co.

    How to Look for Dictator’s Loot : Robert Palmer, campaigner for Global Witness

    The Libyan people deserve to get back the money stolen by a tyrant and his sons" said Robert Palmer

  11. 17h/ Tripoli - A number of " Rights movements and NGOs" demonstrated at the National Transitional Council’s HQ in Tripoli yesterday in opposition to Law No. 36 that freezes the assets of certain individuals and companies.

    In a press release, the demonstrators called on the NTC to enforce the same transparency and integrity standards on numerous others that they felt were omitted from the list.

    They also expressed their concern for the lack of right to seek recourse through the normal judicial system, feeling that Law 36 goes against the grain of the Islamic right to basic justice.


    18h/  NTC freezes 338 assets of which 260 are individuals and 78 are companies

    As would be expected, the list starts with the eleven members of the immediate Muammar Qaddafi family, including all his biological children, and his wife Safia Firkash.

    It also goes on to list another thirty or so persons with ‘Qaddafi’ as part of their name or surname.
    [ Revenge is surname name of NATO puppets. On otherwise we can see how NTC members treasure grow up , and NTC mebres of families take a  "job"]

    For example, it is popularly believed that both Abdulhameed Dubaiba and Ali Dubaiba of the multi-billion Libyan government construction implementation arm ODAC, contributed financially to the revolution.

    It has never been clarified to what extent was their contribution, and the NTC has not come out in public and acknowledged or denied this contribution.

    -Libya's Islamist leader Ali Sallabi is in UK co ISNAD w Ibrahim Ali Dabaiba, son of ODAC head - major Gaddafi figure.

    -General Transparency Commission Naima Mohamed Jebril

    1. http://www.odac-info.org/

    2. don'tknow where to post it,Barqa post is overloaded, but there a schisma seems to come between islamists + Odac former khadafi people &
      transparency, global witness ppl & joanne & companions

      -Libya's Islamist leader Ali Sallabi is in UK co ISNAD w Ibrahim Ali Dabaiba, son of ODAC head - major Gaddafi figure.

      -For example, it is popularly believed that both Abdulhameed Dubaiba and Ali Dubaiba of the multi-billion Libyan government construction implementation arm ODAC, contributed financially to the revolution. It has never been clarified to what extent was their contribution, and the NTC has not come out in public and acknowledged or denied this contribution.

      -General Transparency Commission Naima Mohamed Jebril

      How to Look for Dictator’s Loot : Robert Palmer, campaigner for Global Witness


      Freezing the international assets of the Gaddafi family as well as senior
      officials. contact: hafed al ghwell libiya outreach group ,
      Washington – Feb. 22, 2011


    3. http://www.alarabiya.net/views/2011/08/24/163902.html

      Ibrahim Ali, chairman of Libya Transparency Association (LTA), an NGO founded in May 2011, said that his organization intended to conduct an investigation into the document. The LTA focuses on curbing corruption and promoting the principles of transparency, good governance, and is advocating to include these principles in the transitional constitution.
      “There are a lot of files of corruption that we open, this is one of these files,” he said.





      Fly-Libya Founder and Managing Director Ibrahim Ali, is determined to bring more flights into Libya, and this week sees the launch of additional Fly-Libya routes to Benghazi and Tripoli.

    4. http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,16047970,00.html

      Joanne ♌ Leo ‏@FromJoanne #IbrahimAli NGO #Libya Transparency Assioc.: Old regime were Thieves It's still that Way but Few people Know about it http://tinyurl.com/c2t5gbj
      Retweeted by Rena Netjes

      that the new regime were thieves

      Insight: In muddle of Libya's finances, billions go missing

    5. http://topsy.com/company-director-check.co.uk/director/908732386

  12. 18h/ NTC  Finance Minister Threatens [lol] to Resign Over Wastage of Public Funds

    "There is a wastage of public money because nobody fears God," Ziglam said


    Unconfirmed reports speak of the arrest of the chairman of Tripoli military Naker Abdellah, accused of transferring large sums of money abroad.

    Ibrahim sahad ‏ @ibrahimsahad
    NTC & TG should investigate statements of finance minister that billions were vanished & state has no control over oil exportation


    -15h/ Abdelhakim Belhadj wants to recover 16.850 kg of gold [ Turkey ]- A must see
    Document "signed by the military governor of Tripoli Abdelhakim Belhadj" the Libyan Embassy in Turkey on 1 November 2011 informing them that Mr. 'Ali Amar Amar Elfakih "whose passport No. 140452, with the rebels.

    He ended his message with "that Libya is free." [Algeria/ISP] http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mrO4czNsiT0/TvXHTBH5dDI/AAAAAAAAD9Y/VpbZ7iXlvQA/s320/Belhadj.jpg

  13. #AlZentan thuwar cancelled transfer of Will only hand SaifGaddafi over2 #NTC if paid 1.7 mill. dinars ($1.36 million) for 6 mnths work

    apparently its legitimate 6mth salary for Zentan thuwar but NTC has only got half of it available at the moment ,28 May 2012

    Libya #oil production Reached approx. 1.555.000 barrels p/d Exported over 1 week 6.605.000 barrels earning $ 518 million , 1 june 2012

    There are rumours of dark deals done with oil majors in return for finance and humanitarian support during the conflict of the past six months.
    And then there's the suspicion, never far from the surface, that the first western intervention in the Arab spring was really about lots of lovely, light Libyan crude.

  14. Libyan ex- Prime Minister Al-Baghdadi Al-Mahmoudi handed back to Libya by Tunisia, June 24: arrives Migita airport by helicopter.
    "A Tunisian government statement said the extradition did not require the president's signature. It said the decision to extradite had been made following a report by a Tunisian delegation to Tripoli, which found that the conditions for a fair judicial process had been met"

  15. thx felix for yr information.

    Baghdadi Mahmoudi Extradited to Libya: “Marzouki did not sign any official orders”

    Further complicating the matter, however, Adnen Manser – spokesperson of the Tunisian presidency – said that Tunisian President Marzouki did not sign any extradition decision.

    Tunisian Prime Minister Hamadi Jebali has previously asserted that the Tunisian government has the final say in the decision whether to extradite Mahmoudi. ”It would not be necessary to have the president’s signature,” he said.


    Dr. Baghdadi mahmudi during his transfer from Tunisia to Libya in a helicopter . Whether justice can fall lower? http://fb.me/26hzfz4cZ

    Libya: Baghdadi Mahmoudi's Defence Committee Considers His Extradition 'Unlawful'

    Hayat Libya ‏@LIBYA_WIN : I am as #Libyan as they come, you are in no place to tell me what I am. I only want #Gaddafi's closest ppl tried. 25 june 2012
    البغدادي المحمودي في ليبيا بعد تسليمة من تونس 24 6 12

    1. http://www.tweettunnel.com/reverse2.php?textfield=Libyafreelibya

      Libyafreelibya Dawn Libya :

      #Albaghdadi first of many. Next: #Ghaddafadam #Khweildi #Jalloud #khaled #Ghadaffi family.And many more.What a great day for justice. #Libya

      Libyan elections = steps towards #democracy #freedom #transparency #libyafreelibya #Libya

      @AllForLibya @Libyafreelibya Saif will rot in the mountains. He is an evil piece of scum. He will be tried soon. And will be hanged. #Libya

      #Saif should follow his fathers destiny. He did so much to live like his dirty tyrant of a dad. Needs to be tried and hanged. #Libya #ICC

      When will we try the war criminal? #Saif the killer? #Libya ##Benghazi #Tripoli

      #Sallabi didn't get enough funds from #Dbeiba #Dubbaiba so looking for it from #Ghaddafadam #corruption #Libya #Sallabi is a joke

      Saif #dirty #Saif #ghadaffi needs to be put on trial. The #ICC war criminal needs to be made an example of. #Libya #libyafreelibya. #UN #USA

  16. ibnmukhtar86 Anas El Gomati
    Ecstatic at the capture of Saif - Tripoli has risen with so much passion and joy again. After Mo'ammar and Mutassim, third times a charm?

    LIBYA: ANAS EL GOMATI, Libyan Political Analyst

    Guma_el_gamaty Guma El-Gamaty
    Libya breaking sources say Saif Gadhafi is trying with help of his aid Abdurrahman Karfakh to escape by sea 2 Greece & hand himself to ICC! 23 Oct

  17. Les noms des personnes qui ont agressé le docteur Al Baghdadi sont :
    le gouverneur militaire de Tripoli Abdelhakim Belhadj,
    le président de la sécurité nationale Khaled Charif,
    Un membre de la sécurité nationale Maoummer Chakroune,
    et les 2 autres membre Ali moussa et Ahmed Karira.

    Le chef du gouvernement de la Jamahiriya Al Baghdadi Mahmoudi torturé (27 juin 2012)


    1. The lawyer acting for Libya's former prime minister Al-Baghdadi al-Mahmoudi, who was extradited to Tripoli from Tunisia at the weekend, claims his client has been tortured.

      Marcel Ceccaldi, a French lawyer, said on Wednesday Mahmoudi had been badly beaten by Libyan security officers and left with broken ribs and a punctured lung.

      "According to the information I have, it seems that he has been beaten," said Ceccaldi. "He is in hospital, under guard.


  18. Lawyer of Dr. Al Baghdadi Mahmoudi confirmed in a telephone interview with Tunisian television channel that Dr. Al Baghdadi was drugged before extradition.
    Dr. Al Baghdadi was taken from prison Marnakiya, drugged to the helicopter which transported. According to Al Baghdadi's family was informed by prison guards.
    The lawyer confirmed that he sought Dr. Al Baghdadi in Libya but he can not locate it. He contacted the Libyan authorities but no information about location.
    The lawyer adds that Dr. Al Baghdadi was delivered to the military governor of Tripoli Abdelhakim Belhadj [ex?-AlQaeda member] and not to the NTC interim authorities of Libya.


  19. http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2012/al-monitor/yet-another-prisoner-with-little.html

    It will be interesting to see if a high-ranking former official like al-Mahmudi will ever receive a fair trial under the prevailing circumstances in Libya.

    It is worth pointing out that al-Mahmudi was a bureaucrat with very limited powers and he had never played any military role in the war that eventually toppled Gaddafi with the help of NATO last year.

    He is not wanted by the ICC, which excludes him from any charges of major war-related crimes.

    If he ever makes it to the courtroom, we will see what charges the authorities can prove against him — and what kind of guarantees the Libyan authorities could offer for a fair trial. 

    Mustafa Fetouri is an independent Libyan academic and journalist.
    He won the EU’s Samir Kassir award for the best opinion article.

  20. Libye: Le CNT peut-il donner des preuves de vie de Al-Mahmoudi Al-Baghdadi
    Can TNC proof that Mahmoudi Al-Baghdadi is still alive?

  21. http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/07/06/libya-ensure-due-process-detained-ex-prime-minister
    Libya: Ensure Due Process for Detained Ex-Prime Minister

    Human Rights Watch visited al-Mahmoudi on July 3 in the prison in Tripoli where he and eight other former Gaddafi officials, including former head of foreign intelligence Abu Zaid Dorda, are being held.

    Human Rights Watch spent about 30 minutes speaking with the former prime minister in what appeared to be full confidentiality, in an office in the prison.

    Human Rights Watch was not in a position to assess whether al-Mahmoudi felt he could speak freely and honestly to its representative about his treatment at the hands of Libyan and Tunisian authorities.

    The prison where al-Mahmoudi is held is run by the judicial police. Human Rights Watch was taken on a tour of the premises by the prison director, who said that al-Mahmoudi was being kept separately from the other inmates.

    Al-Mahmoudi told Human Rights Watch that Tunisian officials told him on June 24 that he was being taken to receive medical care, but that instead he was put on a Tripoli-bound plane.


  22. posted it yesterday , today I don't see it anymore :


    Dr. Baghdadi Al-Mahmoudi May Have Died From Complications Following Torture — Am Awaiting Confirmation


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