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Tuesday, November 22, 2011

NATO MAY Face War Crimes Probe, Some Claim to Worry

November 22, 2011

According to a report by the Associated Press (11 November) some NATO diplomats are worried that the alliance may be investigated by the International Criminal Court (ICC) after its prosecutor said allegations of crimes committed by NATO in Libya would be examined "impartially and independently".

The NATO diplomats speaking anonymously said action to pre-empt a war crimes investigation would likely include an immediate internal legal review of all incidents in which NATO bombing or other actions caused civilian casualties.
NATO may be investigated by ICC for alleged war crimes in Libya
Submitted by ian on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 13:35

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen even refuses to acknowledge that were any civilian deaths caused by the bombing. During his monthly press briefing on 3 November, he said:

As regards collateral damage, I have to say that we conducted our operations in Libya in a very careful manner, so we have no confirmed civilian casualties caused by NATO

Casualties, by the way, includes injuries as well as deaths, technically. I do have to say, I imagine you can't fail to confirm a single one of the thousands of civilians they killed, especially in Sirte, without treating the facts and common sense in any other than "a very careful manner."

Chances any NATO country's leader will be handed over for war crimes against humanity trials, or stabbed in the ass and shot dead before even getting the chance?

More perhaps later, or in comments...


  1. Yes, that's as good a list, from Libya S.O.S. and al4 Peace, that I could find. As far as I can tell, no one's done anything more comprehensive, morebalanced, or remotely complete. Hardly a single case was documented in a way most here would accept, and it's all just an incrediblefudge-zone. Could be anywhere up to 10, 20, 30,000 non-combattants and we'dbe left thinking somewhere between zero and a few dozen, maybe.

    That should be a war crime. Like dropping real bombs from within a cartoon control room of filtered rose-colored-glasses assessments. Really, driving through a neighborhood shooting a tank without looking, just telling yourself "that's ten more Glork invaders and no bystanders!" is no defense.

    Not to mention that the supposed reasons that required violence against "legitimate" targets also seems to not exist.I move the term war crime be removed from the list. It has no meaning anymore,except when used backwards to promote injustice.

  2. Causing civilian deaths is not the crime the ICC should be concentrating on. The real crime of Nato and its political leadership is "participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of a crime against peace." The UN "no-fly zone" fig leaf will not save Sarko & co as the crime was committed well before any UN SC resolution.

  3. Well put, Petri. It'seasy to loose track when the bar regarding NATO crimes is set so... is there a bar?

    Googling that phrase (I had to), it's got a precedent at Nuremberg, and it fits the facts of this case as well. Not the established facts, of course, which presuppose the peace already broken. And it was, just by the side we insisted on protecting while punishing, quite literally, the victim.

    But either way,and"conspiracy"will always be debatable and dismissable, civilian targeting, which repeated hitting of civilians and their necessities would indicate, is very important. Total War is too powerful a tool of evil to where it's pretty well outlawed now. It's cheating, big time, with huge ramifications. But we saw that in spectacular form in Sirte, and more diffuse against Libya in whole. No tolerance, respect, decency, or normalcy required for some unclear reason. Gaddafi's alleged eveil had all the stops pulled out, and even then our clients were complaining that we were pansies. Cut off all supplies,destroy water reserves, pound them to hell, make them all know it's surrender or death... Or often surrender then death, maybe with torture in between...

    yeah, that kind of cheating was ALLEGED against Gaddafi, kind of done in Misrata over many months, but knocked outta the ballpark by NATO and their Terrorist Collaborators in just a few weeks against smashed Sirte - a city of 75,000,with 22,000 fled/surrendered before the team called it clear and started really pounding. And still NATO claims no casualties.

    That should be a huge crime, because their lies have a way of becoming legal reality, and leave them self-immunized against all counter-suits as they gang-rape nations, blame the victim, leave them the bill, and collect aggressively.

    Sorry, bit of a rant with no new information really...

  4. Here's NATO bombing a fire station (Tripoli)
    Of course ,they film a survivor.
    Nobody ever gets killed

  5. http://turtlebay.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/03/15/un_panel_to_investigate_frenchqatari_sanctions_busting_arms_shipments_to_libya

    U.N. sanctions panel investigates reports of French/Qatari arms transfers to Libya's rebels

    The Qatari government denied supplying any weapons or ammunition to the insurgents, saying it did not know how the Swiss ammunition found its way into Libya

    Video of huge weapons arsenal 'for Libya rebels' seized on Qatar boats

    The report on US-NATO war crimes is also a further indictment of the assortment of “left” parties, intellectuals and academics who parroted the human rights pretexts of Washington and NATO and thus gave open or backhanded support to the war in Libya. It underscores that these forces—from social democrats, Greens and ex-Stalinists such as the German Left Party to pseudo-radicals such as France’s New Anti-Capitalist Party and the International Socialist Organization in the US—have moved into the camp of imperialism.
    (((( Posted by clnewsNews FlashTuesday, January 24th, 2012))))

  6. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=729_1309000579
    the total number of Libyan personnel was estimated at 76,000/7,541 Attacks

    Libya: NATO killed people in hospital ZLITEN 25. july 2011 [libyasos]

    NATO dropped 1000 kgm bomb in Zlitan children’s hospital killed 50. BBC, friday 06/08/11

    For a civilized society, killing is something to be undertaken with great reluctance, aversion, and sorrow. … Every time we kill, we are reminded that we are still in the game of killing, which is, ultimately, a game of despair, pain, and futility.


  7. http://www.flashinvader.com/war_on_terrorism/america_considered_nuclear_strike_on_libya__expert_rt.html

    Pentagon was planning a nuclear strike on Libya decades ago

  8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEgB0diUtT8
    LIBYA Humanitarian War Civilians Dead, Injured Terrorized By NATO Islamist
    journo mikija stojcica tells what happen : did he survive?
    note : even the ambulances were attacked!

    Libya war: NATO Press Briefing, 15 civilians are dead in Tawergha 24 July 2011 [libyasos]


    International Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell told Sky News that the reports from the hospital were "appalling".

    "We will hold to account anyone, on either side, who commits atrocities," he said.
    Mr Mitchell said that the International Criminal Court would be the correct place for dealing with those accused of war crimes.

    By the standards of international law, the entire NATO chain of command, civilian and military, should face trial for war crimes

  9. Replies
    1. @ felix : y right , it is Milovan Drecun in the vid

      journo mikija stojcica
      He also reported from Libiya. Didn't find recent information about both of them

  10. As was documented at the time, NATO provided air cover for the attack on Tawergha and must have been aware of the genocidal intent of the rebel leaders which was reported, previous to the assault on the town, in the Wall Street Journal.

    via Petri :
    Libya in dead-end as NATO washes hands of civilian blood'

    1. There's a long video of David Swanson under Lies and War on Libya in Context - David Swanson uploaded 21 March 2011 one year ago.

  11. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1189728&l=b4036e1c71&id=297509086955875

    International Coalition to Ensure NATO Accountability -ICENA has been formed: it seeks accountability for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
    It is committed to the prosecution of those who violate the human rights of civilians.

    Their FB page: https://www.facebook.com/ICENA.ORG
    Their website: http://icena.org/index.php
    Their twitter account: @IcenaOrg

  12. http://www.livestream.com/niaguistv/video?clipId=flv_d7a0fce7-b99f-4786-ada3-50377ac07cfb

    Libya: Crimes Committed Against Libya. Libye : Crime..

  13. curtis doebbler ‏ @cdoebbler

    Libyan doctor estimates as many as 100,000 people killed in #Libya by NATO and NATO-led rebels initiated violence.

  14. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/9703046.stm
    nato killed 53 ppl in a building were the Colonel just entered a basement

  15. http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/15/natos-craven-coverup-of-it-libyan-bombing/

    When Navi Pillay came to talk about the UN Report, her remarks were not for the public.

    What was not acceptable was any mention of NATO’s “violations” during the conflict,said Peter Olson

  16. In 2012 seems nato still busy bombing Libiya :
    Tobou source says that Zentan convoy which was heading to Sabha was hit by NATO plane by mistake!

    Pentagon said United States / continue monitoring Libya from the skies/Nov 3, 2011
    Libiya US monitoring Libiya sky

    By Matthew Russell Lee, Exclusive
    UNITED NATIONS, March 27 -- Four days after Inner City Press first exclusively reported push-back UN from member states at a proposal by UN Peacekeeping chief Herve Ladsous to move toward using drones or "unmanned aerial vehicles," and after Inner City Press asked Ladsous and then a spokesman about it, the UN on Tuesday issued this confirmation:

  17. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/europe-rights-body-blasts-nato-western-navies-over-migrant-deaths/2012/03/29/gIQAnHAeiS_story.html

    EU rights group blasts NATO over migrants deaths in the Mediterranean during Libya campaign

  18. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/sunday-review/natos-secrecy-stance.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

    The aircraft that night have never been publicly identified by NATO, which has treated their origins and nationalities as strict military secrets

    Shortly before midnight, those as yet unidentified aviators released several laser-guided 500-pound bombs. The first bombs destroyed a house crowded with families. The next bombs destroyed two more.

    Then the aircraft struck again, survivors and local doctors say, dropping high-explosive ordnance on Libyans who had rushed to the victims’ aid.

  19. If there is a sense that NATO exceeded the mandate of 1973, I asked, would the UN now consider an evaluation of how it was used in the Libya war? "Russia has asked for the Security Council to undertake an evaluation of protection of civilians, because Resolution 1973 is about protecting civilians," Puri said. "So what kind of damage was there, collateral damage to civilians, etc? There is great reluctance to undertake that."

    A report by independent Arab human-rights groups in January 2012 and a report by the UN Human Rights Council (March 2, 2012) have been largely ignored. Both showed that the proposition that Muammar Gaddafi's forces were conducting genocide was grossly exaggerated, and both called for an open investigation of NATO's aerial bombardment.


    Puri indicates that the NATO states in the Security Council have not warmed up to the idea of an evaluation. When the Human Rights Council began its investigations, NATO's legal adviser Peter Olson wrote a sharp letter to the commission's chair:
    We would be concerned if "NATO incidents" were included in the commission's report as on a par with those which the commission may ultimately conclude did violate law or constitute crimes. We note in this regard that the commission's mandate is to discuss "the facts and circumstance of ... violations [of law] and ... crimes perpetrated". We would accordingly request that, in the event the commission elects to include a discussion of NATO actions in Libya, its report clearly state that NATO did not deliberately target civilians and did not commit war crimes in Libya.

  20. Interesting piece here by Jadaliyya, Investigations around Libya - Nato's Craven Cover-up of its Libyan Bombing by Vijay Prashad, March 16 2012. Notice Dabbashi and Pillai lining up together. Crooks. Pillai:The Libyan uprising began on February 15, 2011. By February 22, the UN Human Rights Chief Navi Pillay claimed that two hundred and fifty people had been killed in Libya, “although the actual numbers are difficult to verify.” i.e. massively inflated.

  21. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zMHwf3KjW4g

    Indictments Against NATO and Arab Leaders for Crimes Against Humanity in Libya

  22. Apr 3, 2012


    military aircraft bombed the cities Jamil and Zuwara today! NTC has been bombing cities around Libya today, and the world is SILENT!

    *** Military jets bombing civilian districts in Ragdalin today!!Where is NATO to impose no-fly zone NOW? NEW LIBYAN GOVERNMENT IS BOMBING CIVILIANS IN RAKDALIN AND JAMIL! WHERE ARE HRW and Amnesty International


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