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Sunday, May 13, 2018

Douma CW Massacre, First Thoughts, etc.

Vitcim Analysis
First Thoughts, etc.
May 13, 2018

Moved from Victim Analysis Post

Or did they come down here to use the shower, with that yellow thing and some white powder ...  did they try taking some medicine? (credit: Orbi and Qoppa999)

Except this guy, who probably didn't carry himself here on this stretcher... (credit: Kobs)

This guy next to him clearly has a somewhat different story from the rest of the family. Face injury, blood from the mouth, and thick foam, but somewhere duster, face-down for some time before he was put here. But this is outside the house, as this video shows, suggesting other, dustier locales where  people died this mysterious foamy death... 


My thoughts (partial):
Clothing: layered sweaters, some grubby, smoky, or muddy. There's an older woman in an overcoat, other fully veiled at least, one with a possible shoulder bag strap. Otherwise we see no coats, hats or worn bags (but there is a likely bag of bedding and a hairbrush), and no shoes. So they're fully clothed and ready to go out, but for shoes and coats. This state, usually in the middle of the night, is a common feature for CW attack victims in areas where Islamists are specially desperate and losing quick. In Islamic culture, shoes are removed usually before execution. And hostages stay inside, needing no shoes, and sleep in what they had at capture, with no pajamas and few if any baths allowed and no laundry service. Sometimes new clothes might be put on before the photo shoots, but usually not.

One guess: bundled to walk away at night, but not this one - captured, held for some days, gassed there, then brought here to an abandoned house

This (girl?) perhaps fell on her back, then sat up, in the mud outside, likely during the arrest. She never did get cleaned up, wound up dead in here, laid down awkwardly on this couch. This is on one of the upper floors, not in the basement.
add: closer inspection and other views shows this is all bleaching. This appears with many victims. It looks like splashing with bleach in some cases, but here especially, it might mean chlorine exposure. Consider dry gas won'y bleach, but wherever it hits a wet spot, acid is formed and dyes will die. And older woman with dirty or smoke-stained hands, light blood from the nose, bleach spots.


...a bit less clearly from most views, this boy also seems to have hands that are smoky, but less so. He also seems to have facial injuries, especially around the eyes and the bridge of his nose. (credit: Michael Kobs)

...huh, this kid too.

Raccoon Eyes?
No ... see here for another possible answer.
Back to the Baytounji family in Aleppo in late 2016. See here. Most of this family of 6 displays periorbital acchymosis, or "raccoon eyes," suggestive of a skull fracture days earlier. In that case, the inner lining of the skull is torn, and the blood inside has no better outlet than the eye socket. It swells, red then bruise-colored, and slowly fades as the blood is re-absorbed. So they really do seem to have been hit in the head a few days before their alleged chlorine gassing. Two examples:

What actually killed them is very hard to diagnose. Their faces look baked, as if by extreme heat, with some white residue around the mouth, nose and eyes. The victims of this latest incident look kind of similar, with "raccoon eyes," signs of heat (but more sweaty than baking) and also smoke exposure, but with relatively massive amounts of white stuff foaming out of them. But it's all in various combinations.... the boy above: see morgue video

This may be something else, largely not in the eye socket but all around it. My guess: same principle, with skull fracture there, along the bridge of the nose. There was internal bleeding, but the fracture itself was wide enough it, more than the higher parts of the eye socket, became the outlet. This is like a huge blood-blister, from inside his skull. It's not real fresh nor healed much, from the red-purple color. I'd say he was bashed (with a rifle butt?) within the last 2-3 days?  Some of the purple or all of it might be from the moderate cyanosis his lips display.

- this lady - here it looks like the standard "raccoon eyes" but after another few days of healing, into the brown-bruise stages. Days later, she's dead from CW besides the head wound? And has this bizarre and copious foam ...

Otherwise, it doesn't seem they went around cracking everybody's skull this time, just a few, perhaps seen as needing it.

What is this, I don't know. It looks similar in color, but more like a rash/skin irritation. A little orange-ish drool from the mouth suggests some degree of bleeding in the airways (inhaled caustic agents?) But this much brown-orange color coming up different ways could also be relevant to the poison behind it all.

Is this skin irritation or from a recent slap to the face? note apparently sweaty face and hair. This girl however is laid outside the front door with some adult men, including one seemingly brought here on a stretcher he's still on (see above).


This girl died where she fell in two different places, and is the only one seen being carried away or around. (credit Orbi

Girls on the Stairs

just more images lacking notes...

White Helmets guy (I think) wearing a gas mask, probably old Soviet material of limited or no function now, and not even gloves. This girls isn't even wet - neither stripped nor washed even once, raw from the CW cloud, allegedly. This will likely be claimed as a sarin attack, so take note. He's making sort of big eyes at the horror of it, or is that him starting to suddenly die?
Longer video shows about as many bodies on upper floors of the same duty damaged house, with a scary hole in the roof. That's like 30 or 40 of the 55-70+ fatalities, all in one building, and not just in the basement. How can I download and save Twitter videos? I saved screen grabs anyway (f/c)
(Andrew helped here, see comments)

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