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Thursday, February 27, 2020

Ghouta rocket 7 geolocation effort

Februay 27, 2020

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Feb 29: mystery solved.  The geolocated exterior scene LCC#2 is almost certainly just outside the UN-OPCW mission's site 5. The exterior scene I thought was there and wanted to place is actually the clinic where they interviewed locals and took blood samples. (Amin 251 got that from the title + narration.) That hasn't been placed, but doesn't matter like I thought it did. If anyone happens to place it, let me know. But I'm not asking anyone to.

So LCC#2 and site 5 are the same: no rocket seen (apparently removed) but the damage is real, some scraps look like they might belong, and they sampled some soil. I don't know why everyone stares down so intently at the samples they just collected, but oh well.
Geolocated - as mentioned below, Bellingcat shows it. Researcher Chis Kabusk may have been their source (he was working with Higgins at the time). His initial graphic:

Fully explained with damage analysis and estimated firing angle in a new post here.


Previous confused material left for reference, from here down.
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Here I previously collected notes on six geolocated impacts: 
https://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2017/08/ghouta-firing-directions-masterlist.html

Updates to add include locating a place said to have a rocket, if not the actual rocket, and showing a UN mission visit that's not mentioned in their list of thee visited sites (maybe because the rocket wasn't there, had been moved?).

That's LCC#2 on this map I'll add soon. 
That spot was pre-located by Bellingcat, and I agree it's placed right. But they had it as the outside of the rooftop impact, site 3 (note it crashes through the coffee table - that's the rooftop scene). The area around that carefully-placed scene is much different. This is another spot wrongly wrapped around that impact.
https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/case-studies/2014/08/10/locating-the-rockets-used-during-the-august-21st-sarin-attacks-in-damascus/

But the following also involves trying to corelate inner and outer views, so at the start, it's possible the interior scenes are at that LCC#2 and the external views relate to some other site visit. 

This post look at another location that's not pinned on the map (in green) just yet. This is impact #7 in my system. It's the OPCW's site 5, visited the afternoon of 29 August following sites 3 and 4 (rooftop, field  1, my lower left green dots). They're seen inside an empty room (vacant home, pres.) where what seems to be the north wall is heavily damaged after a volcano rocket crashed into a narrow balcony. I think the rebar bends in and a bit to the right, so the angle of impact is a bit from the west of straight into the wall, so we could draw a broad range of angles from it, if we knew where it was.


A few videos show inspectors outside this building on two different sides, so it took some correlating (and deduction) to be clear it's one spot. "Sasa Wawa" looked at the scene here, comparing a given visit time of 1:35 PM, finding the side impacted is north, suggesting a northern origin. 
https://whoghouta.blogspot.com/2013/10/impact-site-analysis.html
But the shaded nature of that side suggests north anyway, and it's not total: the sunlight fits best with a slight rotation shared by many buildings in the area so that wall faces a bit NNW. And while Sasa thought the impact looked straight on, I think it's got a notable western angle, even relative to a wall facing NNW.

Scenery in some of these videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcA_dnjCzWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX0RguM3f68
1:35 by Unified Information Office, the city of Arbeen
thank you for coming, ok? rep. several time. smiles. Does someone say "call me"? Team seems eager to leave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u6n_YR2a04
Al Aan snippets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlySYCDcA2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S23nYqr1Jlg

An older list I forgot to check:
Interior, photos:
https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/892692233442529282
video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5XCDvxhDHE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRR1ftLt2RM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwGoWoA9q4o&index=8&list=PLO_vQ_Y4lJ5AEko1PAuDDRt2-m4_1Y82u
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biuts_KLjm4&list=PLO_vQ_Y4lJ5AEko1PAuDDRt2-m4_1Y82u&index=9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n97uMNpvqtc
same https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwGoWoA9q4o&index=8&list=PLO_vQ_Y4lJ5AEko1PAuDDRt2-m4_1Y82u
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KYSCRBqa9A
same https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AcdS4FmRyQ&index=12&list=PLO_vQ_Y4lJ5AEko1PAuDDRt2-m4_1Y82u
driving from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcA_dnjCzWo

Majles Rif videos - all may be at one site, aside from four videos at a clinic, where they get blood samples and interview mostly young males lined up.
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site 5 interior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJolxZimF5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n97uMNpvqtc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRR1ftLt2RM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5XCDvxhDHE
exterior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYuHAsoaAT4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcA_dnjCzWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AcdS4FmRyQ

An old image I made from (I think) the same video that's now private. This, I found, shows both sides. From top to bottom it's south facing west, south facing east, then north facing east. The ghost person in white is a separate mystery. 


A bunch of views and details put onto a sort of rushed scene model - the door they come out has the triangular arch over it:

My first try at using this focused on a spot LCC numbered 4 - the buildings just west of that offer all the surroundings clues, but not the actual varied buildings they actually go into. 
This can't be it, but helps visualize the model - I'm looking for a spot much like this - long generic façade to the west, visible from north and south, walled green area then buildings to the north, a badly damaged building to the west, and the blocks in question have mainly 4-5 story buildings, but they're separate and vary as seen. A best view of the area facing west:

facing east:
more as needed...

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