Basement Executions in April
April 8, 2022
last edits 4/10
Among those killed in the "Bucha Massacre" are some five men in a basement, bound and shot in the head, apparently. This was useful in showing Russian brutality in an area deep in the north of Bucha, at an alleged Russian base on the grounds of a former children's camp.This is far from the corpse-strewn no-man's-land in the south of Bucha that led news of the massacre. It seems those people were killed along Yablunska street well before Ukrainian forces controlled the area, but were mainly killed by shelling from their locations to the south. Many of those, and one of these five, wears the white armband said to indicate support for or cooperation with the Russians. But these victims were clearly bound and executed, allegedly by the Russians, so when and where become important questions.
citing mainly: CNN report, April 4 https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-04-22/h_6ae41ea2a3cd3ef832b8c009a8c51793
RFE/RL / Current Time video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-YKSLz536U
RFE/RL's video of removal and a photo with the CNN report include short shadows from the southwest, so early afternoon, maybe 2-3 PM (the building I think it is faces south, with a very slight SW trend, and sun is well SW relative to that).
It seems about the same time when the bodies are laid, one has his binding cut and two are seen being rolled over, at 0:45 0:53 in the video.
The bodies being rolled over lets us see an important clue - the first one seems moderately stiff, pivoting on one shoulder to fall on its back all at once, like a plank. No still image really shows that, but here at right, and note his cheeks are almost a living but pale pink, no different from the arm of the man handling him. His skin is not the slightest bit discolored.The other body we see rolled has hands that are also normal color, but rolls differently, relaxed and floppy.
Assuming they died about the same time, this suggests rigor mortis is fading in their group, quicker with some than others. This usually sets in 6-8 hours after death as (I think) calcium no longer used for neuro-transmission coats skeletal muscles with a mineral crust. SOmething about lactic acid buildup also plays in ... I'm a bit hazy.
Some people don't know this but, whatever the exact cause of it, rigor mortis then fades away after 36-48 hours.
https://www.pathologyoutlines.com/topic/forensicspostmortem.html
"With the onset of putrefaction, rigor mortis passes off, and secondary relaxation occurs. Secondary relaxation occurs at around 36 hours after death due to the breakdown of the contracted muscles due to decomposition."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK539741/#article-27523.s3
That might happen slower in the cold - I've read that heat accelerates rigor mortis. But looking it up, I see "The onset of rigor mortis is more rapid if the environment is cold." Still, I'm not sure how to include any difference and the coats might counteract it pretty well, so let's just say the usual time-frame and note it might be a bit shorter, not likely to be longer, https://journals.lww.com/amjforensicmedicine/Documents/_Rigor_Mortis__in_a_Live_Patient.pdf
Experts should also have a say on this subject, but until then, my estimate is 36-48 hours before filming time (14:00 on the 4th) = time of murder: between 2 PM on April 2 and 2 AM on April 3. Later times than this are more likely than earlier ones, but April 1 can't be entirely ruled out. Any time earlier can be. And it might well have happened after 2 AM on the 3rd.
The blood left beneath the victims and on the wall seems pretty well dried, but it isn't pooled anywhere except for in a deep layer of absorbent basement dust. Thin layers running down a wall or leaked into dust will all dry quickly, so hardly any time can be ruled out by this clue. However ...
first videos of the bodies still in place afternoon of the 3rd - earliest 2 postings I found, about 30 minutes apart:
4/3 16:39 local time https://twitter.com/typolinb/status/1510613064760107015
4/3 17:07 https://twitter.com/Meduselchen/status/1510619966722256909
April 3 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO49tWSCMco
Noteworthy: the blood beneath one victim is still partly wet, and the blood leaked down one's knee is still wet, with no rain here to help explain that. I don't know just how quickly blood dries, but it makes sense that it stopped flowing 12-24 hours before this video, or even less. "Advanced stages of decay," they said.
Significance
Even in the north of Bucha, Russian and Ukrainian official agree that Russian forces had left on or by March 31. Any killings after that - as these seem to be - can hardly be blamed on the Russians. Late on April 2.it was announced an operation was underway (special forces regiment "Safari") to clear the city of Russian collaborators and saboteurs. This operation was likely underway at the time of these killings, even if that predates the announced start.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220402185448/https://en.lb.ua/news/2022/04/02/12441_special_forces_regiment_safari.html
Separately, Azov Battalion's Serhiy Korotkikh posted a video on April 2 of his "Boatsman boys" patrolling Bucha that day or earlier, an overcast hard-to-time midday. As he examines burnt out Russian tanks, he casually gives permission over the radio for people without their blue arm bands to be shot.
See my prior analysis, and adding here Antiwar Soldier's note: "Here is noise corrected video, where a phrase "please do not kill me" and shot is better heard." I wasn't even aware it was even supposedly audible. It's quite possible those exact men killed apparently late on the 2nd, whom Korotkikh approved the murder of. On the other hand, there were probably a lot of other murders besides these five.
Russian Base and Other Clues
V markings as used by Russian forces in the area, are scrawled all over the camp in spray paint, as if to remind the soldiers where they were.
The "V" markings on the cars, and most likely the gate, are fake. I think we saw similar terrorist markings on crime scenes in Libya, made to blame the other party for the massacre.
ReplyDeleteNo car owner would use spray paint on the metallic finish of their AMG Mercedes. Civilian cars are usually marked with masking tape. Only captured tanks and armored vehicles might get a quick spray paint job.
The markings on the cars are done in a hurry on the spot, using the same can of white spray paint. The paint job on the Mercedes was thus done after it suffered the damage to its front end. The car never drove anywhere with the V symbol on it.
Is there any other proof that the camp was used by Russia or their supporters as a base?
replied now at the other post: https://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2022/05/bucha-massacre-when-russians-arrived.html?showComment=1651500799472#c6082961854724059913
DeleteWar on Fakes posted this on Telegram. I have no opinion on whether any of this is true or relevant.
ReplyDeleteFake news:
In one of the basements of Bucha, a torture chamber was discovered where Russian soldiers had been killing civilians. This news was widely distributed through major Ukrainian telegraph channels.
The fact:
The video is staged. All the evidence that people were allegedly tortured in this room is built on a couple of chairs placed in the center of the basement.
It is surprising that information about the "torture chamber" has appeared only now, when the most large-scale provocation of the Ukrainian side in Bucha has already been almost forgotten in light of new fakes and attempts to smear the Russian Armed Forces. Western audiences are noticeably tired of the Ukrainian agenda. People are more concerned about the situation in their own countries.
Other facts also speak in favor of the fact that the video is a fake. There are no traces of blood on the floor and walls of the "torture room". Killing a person with a firearm leaves a significant amount of blood, which should have quickly absorbed into the walls and floor of the room. At the same time, it is extremely hard to wash the blood off the concrete surfaces.
The second oddity is the location of the bullet marks. They are 20-30 centimeters above the floor. By the way, there are also questions about the bullet holes themselves. The actual bullet hole from a standard army bullet with a metal core is considerably larger than the ones we see on the basement walls.
All in all, the result is yet another dull provocation aimed at a Western audience, while the story does not stand up to even a simple comparison of the facts.
https://t.me/waronfakesen/550
The chair as proof of torture is really weak. But otherwise ... dead guys. some blood that's fresh. Seems they were just doubled over like that, heads really low. One bled all over his knee.
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