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<< Abu Salim Hospital Massacre {Masterlist}
The shed massacre report A Question over Yarmouk is near enough to completion I'm starting to lay the groundwork for the next report on what happened at Abu Salim Trauma Hospital. I think it will also focus on other abuse of the medical system in the conquest of Tripoli (mostly massacres, but other aspects - NATO bombing to turning off water, arresting doctors, etc. that contributed, might also fit). The exact title isn't set, but should include the phrase often tossed against the former government in rumor form: "violations of medical neutrality." Here' it's flipped around, backed by solid evidence, and also an artful understatement. It's perfect.
This post is a spot for comments with new info that might help flesh out that report. And for linking posts on specific parts of the evidence.
Previous ASHM research posts
What we have already about this incident, aside from a few things I have collected off-line, is contained in one or another of the following previous posts about the trauma hospital:
Abu Salim Trauma "Hospital"
Urgent Appeal: Major Unnoticed Rebel Abuse in Plain Sight (summary)
video: A Massacre at Abu Salim Trauma Hospital Plus info on the outside victims
Women and Children Dead at Abu Salim Trauma Hospital
New dedicated research posts
Timeline Clues (and hospital location clues)
Related Research
Other killings related to doctors and patients:
The Tripoli Massacres: 18 by the Dry River Bed
Medical tent victims
a dead doctor in the canal reported (mentioned in the above)
Others?
All related subjects, again things that interfered badly with medicine and medical personnel in a criminal way, to assist the rebel conquest of Tripoli, are fit for submission below. We don't need to be comprehensive and find everything, I just ask the contributors to help me avoid overlooking anything big or obvious.
Some first notes
One important addition vis-a-vis the centerpiece is a name for our shady rebel "surgical technician" who gave Andrew Simmons his tour of the macabre former hospital for Al Jazeera English's video. Yet another Dr. Salem! A photo by Seamus Murphy/VII images shows "Dr. Salem Qasr is seen outside the hospital in Abu Salim, a district of hardline loyalist support, Tripoli, Libya on Aug. 26, 2011." By the light, it's about mid-day, possibly AM, more likely PM, for what that's worth. Don't have a spatial layout down yet. Does timeline matter much here? Not even sure yet.
Interesting spot - that Salem Kaseh / Qasr is a perp. Simmons there on 25th no doubt, as is the "owner of a take-away restaurant","across the road" in Simmons' video, Abdul Salam Turshi. That same mad look of Dr Salim, Fituri etc.
ReplyDeletevery wild presumption: Ali Salem,40, a resident of Qasr Ahmed
DeleteThis is a human tragedy,” said Ali Salem, 40, a resident of Qasr Ahmed,
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/16/world/africa/16libya.html?pagewanted=all
btw : what is this chivers a real human rights activist :
more than a year now trying to prove army used matt 120 in misrata
Still, a spokesman for Libya’s government, Moussa Ibrahim, dismissed the allegations that cluster munitions were being used, according to Reuters.
“I challenge them to prove it,” he said.
The YouTube playlist is here:
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Two of the 20 videos have been deleted, one of them was the BBC video with John Simpson.
The Simpson video is still available at two pages,
Deletehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14687658 and
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14689451
The "surgical technician" Salem Qasr was interviewed by Anthony Loyd of the Times of London, "Hospital turned to charnel house by fleeing regime", Aug 27 2011, (Paywall, but could be dug out manually from archives...) from which odd fragments are found on the net. Loyd writes There are 70 dead in the morgue, another 30 inside the building and at least 20 in the grounds.....“Men, women, children, soldier, civilian, we've got them all dead here,” said Salem Qasr, an anaesthesia technician who was one of the last five staff to abandon..
@Petri - our friend Qasr is to the fore from 0.22 - 0.33 in your first AFP video nr 3.
DeleteHow many versions of the kicking-in of the door are there? Kick! Oh wow, what have we here... Must have been done for every film crew invited in. Make no mistake, if there had been no opportunity to put some or all of this at the door of Gaddafi,all these perp journos and photographers would never have got anywhere near this place.
Don't forget the Al Aan video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT7NNvbG_Fc which is on the original discussion page, along with Adam's first note of Salem Qasr back in early February.
DeleteThat Loyd guy seems like a real asshole. I'm curious how he reached the conclusion stated in that headline, but not enough to reward their paywall. I don't mind paying for an article, but to have to subscribe? Stupid.
DeleteBut Dr. Salem clarifies he was one of the loyalist doctors who was weak and fled from "snipers." Huh! Just the least week, last to leave, first and almost only to come back ... Stupid Loyd writing down "facts." How much of one's brain can be surgically removed and still leave journos like this functioning on the same kind of semi-conscious reptillian autopilot?
Tuesday August 23, 2011 : apparently the abu saleem hospital
ReplyDeleteThe hospital is in a particularly bad geographical position because it is very close to the Rixos hotel (where western journalists stay), and very close to the Gaddafi compound and Green Square.
http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16054621
First Posted: 23/08/11 15:58
Hospitals in the region reported a high number of casualties as Gaddafi's forces fought back, dashing any hopes that the regime would swiftly collapse. Attacks were also seen near to the Rixos Hotel, where many foreign journalists are staying, and heavy gunfire and rocket attacks erupted in several other areas of the city.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/08/23/tripoli-attacks-continue-_n_933910.html
Kadri in Tripoli
26 augThe four-story hospital was completely empty with shattered glass over the floors, dark with dried blood stains and with medical equipment strewn about.
emails: Rebel fighters discriminately killed any suspect to be from Gaddafi's tribe and labelled them enemies. Nato killed many innocent civilians. The city is chaos.More details now on those scenes of horror at Abu Salim hospital in Tripoli, where correspondents have found hundreds of bodies.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14687658
We need professional help, from the international Red Cross, because there has been a massacre in Abu Salim”Osama Pilil Abu Salim resident
Osama Bilil, one of the doctors, told the BBC: "These bodies have been here in the hospital for five days. Nobody has taken care of them - to bring them to the mortuary, to identify them, to bury them."
Abu Salim hospital :Ambulances were still parked in front of the hospital.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/5520031/Tripoli-buries-dead-as-battle-toll-emerges
caustic : the road blocks might be very important : preventing medical help to come to Abu Saleem hospital
8/24 - 8/27 From a Good Source
ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Neighbourhoods in Tripoli are being encouraged to have their own sons/FF guard their areas. Already happening in many free areas
Having local fighters guard their own streets areas dramatically decreases any risks of Gdfi forces sneaking into areas or harming FF #libya
[ these tweets are send before journo's Rixos were relocated 24 aug]
8/24 From a Good Source
ReplyDeleteAnd, according to The First Post's defence expert Robert Fox, members of the Qatari special forces, trained by Britain, could be seen clearly directing the final assault on the compound.
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FromJoanne Joanne
#TRIPOLI @NATO Hit 2 Gaddafi Forces targets early wednesday morning
FLASH #TRIPOLI Fighting in Bab Al #Azizyah and Al #Hadbah al Khadra area GF hiding around airport road
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Rebels worked to topple remnants of the Gadhafi military apparatus as special forces from Britain, France, Jordan and Qatar — which are on the ground in Libya — have stepped up operations in Tripoli and other cities in recent days to help them.
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About 20 rebels were taking cover behind a wall of the compound and firing rifles and rocket-propelled grenades toward Gaddafi’s snipers in tall buildings in nearby Abu Salim. They came under heavy incoming fire.
There are also civilians in those buildings who support Gaddafi and they too are firing on us,” said Mohammed Amin, a rebel fighter.
8/24 From a Good Source
ReplyDeleteLisaatSky
Fighting around airportroad The area is called Al Hadbah al Khadra where I lived its not far from Rixos edge Nasr forest #Libya
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some airport maps
http://www.unitar.org/unosat/node/44/1561
http://www.unitar.org/unosat/maps/LBY
Alafya clinic in gaser ben gashir is getting full of injured and dead civilians, doc there said he saw #Abdallah Mansoor GL
24 aug 10:00 pm Libya time
Truck loads of bodies r arriving to Metaga Airport Hospital #Tripoli, 2-3 days old, press on ground should investigate
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FromJoanne Joanne
#FLASH #RIXOS Jounos are in contact with Journos who r with FF they have the sense something is about to Happen
Rixos crisis ends. All journalists are out! #rixos
This is an interesting detail:
Delete“24 aug 10:00 pm Libya time
Truck loads of bodies r arriving to Metaga Airport Hospital #Tripoli, 2-3 days old, press on ground should investigate.”
(1) What kind of trucks are we talking about? Pick-ups or tractor-trailers? I.e., are we talking about a huge number of bodies?
(2) The bodies are sent to the airport, where, presumably, they were flown out of the country. Are we talking about 100s or 1000s of dead Qataris? Dead Jordanians? Dead soldiers from United Arab Emirates? Dead Tunisians? Dead Egyptians? Dead French, dead British?
Recently, Libya S.O.S. claimed that more than 1500 British soldiers died in the regime-change operation. The supposed source is a leak from a closed session of the German parliament.
Art Bethea
roadblock @ 0.35
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi--JdzYf0I
the big building in the video is the school #tripoli #libya
Two sets of photos are at Rex Features.
ReplyDelete8 photos at Abu-Salem Hospital (sic) are according to the sister Belgian site Isopix by Levine / SIPA Press dated 27 August.
Five photos of Abu Salim A&E Hospital, dated 26 August are seen at Isopix to be by Geoff Pugh / Rex Features
Geoff Pugh is a Daily Telegraph photographer, along with Heathcliff O'Malley. One of Pugh's photos of Abu Salim hospital grounds is among his favourites from 2011. On the 24th, Pugh was in Tripoli Medical Centre..
DeleteAn odd quote in the Telegraph article by Nick Meo, 24 Aug:
Yesterday the Red Cross said its teams had made contact with about six medical facilities in Tripoli. They have confirmed the main problem they is an acute manpower shortage. At the Abu Slim Trauma Centre a team found just doctor [sic] looking after 25 patients including 15 very seriously injured. Yet 3 days later, the place is full of bodies....
Levine is Heidi Levine. Her photos at Abu Salim are blogged by the journalist Lauren Wolfe on Sept 19 2011, including the bodies covered in lime.. The text goes: “I walked amongst the charred bodies asking the others with me if ever they have seen such a horrific scene, and even those who covered the Balkans shook their heads and said, ‘No, not to this extent,’” Levine wrote. “My images of the bodies covered in lime somehow reveal the horrors of the killing at another level, something that cannot be described in words, which makes it even more important for an audience to see these images.”
DeleteCharred???
Most of her Libyan pictures are behind an acces wall Some are found here including the limed bodies photo.
Not sure which hospital is meant :
ReplyDeleteLuke also gave a harrowing account of a visit to a hospital where dead and wounded have been taken:
24 aug The other place I went to this morning was Tripoli's Italian-built central hospital where they have treating the dead and the wounded and it is a pretty ghastly scene.
On the left as you come in there is a room full of dead fighters, who have been shot - terrible smell. The doctors weren't sure how many they brought in yesterday but it is dozens ... The hospital is lacking all sorts of medical supplies.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/aug/24/libya-rebels-take-gaddafi-compound-live-updates
24 Aug 2011/Tripoli Central Hospital
DeleteThere were hundreds coming in within the first few hours: "
said Dr Mahjoub Rishi, Professor of Surgery at the hospital
On Saturday night [ 20 aug ] some injured men came to me and asked for help. They knew they couldn't go to the government hospital because they supported the revolution.
A few hours later 10 Gaddafi soldiers came in they were furious. They abused me and pulled out guns and started shooting into the roof." He mimed with his hands as they fired into the roof of his clinic, pulling an imaginary trigger with his finger. They shot out the windows and terrorised eight injured patients.
"They didn't kill anybody. But I thought they were going to" he said.
They then fired into each of his legs and stormed out, back to the battle, leaving him for dead.
"He only survived because a man living near his clinic overcame his fear of the Gaddafi soldiers and took him to hospital."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8721027/Libya-In-Tripolis-hospitals-they-die-on-the-beds-and-die-on-the-floors.html
22-08-2011 News Release
ReplyDeletehttp://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/news-release/2011/libya-news-2011-08-22.htm
“In one of the hospitals we visited today, only one doctor was left to look after 25 patients, including 15 seriously wounded,” added Comninos. “We are mobilizing a complete surgical team to support the medical staff and help hospitals cope with the situation.”
At the Abu Slim Trauma Centre a team found just doctor looking after 25 patients including 15 very seriously injured.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8721027/Libya-In-Tripolis-hospitals-they-die-on-the-beds-and-die-on-the-floors.html
Doctors at the hospital in Abu Salim said snipers loyal to Gaddafi kept new patients and health care workers away from the facility.
ReplyDeleteIt is a disaster," said medical-student-turned-nurse Mohammed Yunis.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2011/08/2011826573517261.html
http://updatednews.ca/2011/08/26/tripoli-hospital-horror-as-patients-die-untreated/
Abdel Abdel Rahman is one of just two nurses and one doctor who remained holed up in the hospital throughout the ordeal.
Yunis said numerous bodies had already been removed from the hospital.
"There have been hundreds of deaths (in Tripoli) in recent days," he said, visibly shaken
http://libyatadreft.com/831/updated-news-from-nefusa-mountain-frontline-june-26-2011/#more-831
DeleteNafusa Mountains: Al-Qala'a: Muhammad Yunis has been missing for days. He was en route to Al-Qala'a from Tripoli. We pray that he returns to his family safely ...
Dr. Essam Ben Masoud, 34,
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Dr. Masoud said he kept working surreptitiously for the rebels.
In preparation for the final uprising, he said, he and other doctors from Tripoli Central Hospital helped set up 15 makeshift field hospitals of a network of 30 in homes around Green Square, where they treated wounded rebels last weekend.
That way they could avoid sending patients to Qaddafi-controlled hospitals and could ship those needing serious care out of town.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/26/world/africa/nato-joins-hunt-for-qaddafi-gadhafi-gaddafi.html?pagewanted=all
The next day “we found a refrigerator truck — like a refrigerator for transporting cheese — with 28 dead bodies in it,” Dr. Masoud said, suggesting that the Qaddafi forces had killed people in the street and hid the bodies.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/26/world/africa/nato-joins-hunt-for-qaddafi-gadhafi-gaddafi.html?pagewanted=all
1 March 2011
ReplyDeleteOpponents of the regime who live abroad alleged five days ago that forces loyal to the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi stormed hospitals in Tripoli and summarily executed injured anti-regime protestors who were being treated. The claim is impossible to verify, but what is true is that they have fed a sense of fear and paranoia.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/01/tripoli-hospital-muammar-gaddafi
An MSF emergency team has been sent to the war-torn area with supplies as the number of wounded continues to rise.
ReplyDeleteOn Thursday the team came across several patients and medical staff who had been holed up in the facility for up to five days, too scared to leave the hospital after rebels took over the area.
http://mg.co.za/article/2011-08-27-tripoli-hospital-closes-as-fighting-rages-on
August 25,
ReplyDeleteHospitals had shortages of personnel, due to the fact that many foreign medical staff who worked in the health system had already fled Libya
Almost all of the hospitals around the city are receiving wounded, but some of the hospitals have not been accessible due to the fighting,
The hospitals that I’ve visited since the clashes started are often quite chaotic scenes with many doctors and nurses unable to reach the hospital because either they live in areas that are still not secure or they can’t travel through the city from one side to another.
The problem that’s facing ambulances is that there’s a massive fuel shortage in Tripoli. The fuel is not able to come in yet across from Tunisia
http://www.trust.org/alertnet/blogs/alertnet-scrapbook/most-tripoli-hospitals-are-receiving-wounded-msf/
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2091254,00.html
ReplyDeleteAs rebel forces closed in on Tripoli in early August, Dr. Imad al-Hitushi prepared his clinic to service their wounded.
He relayed word to their leaders in Zawiyah that his medical facility was ready to treat their injured. "We heard so many stories about rebels dying in the battlefield," says the ophthalmologist in his small five-bed clinic in the Dahara section of Tripoli.
"I called other doctors — surgeons and [gastro-intestinal] specialists and told them to be ready."
When the fight arrived in Tripoli on Aug. 20, they were ready. Al-Hitushi and his fellow doctors treated dozens of rebels wounded by gunfire and others who were roughed up by Gaddafi forces. "If the [Gaddafi] brigades would have discovered what we were preparing, we could have been arrested. But we did not care. We wanted to protect the people protecting us."
At his house in the wealthy neighborhood of Gharghur, Tarsin greets mourners who have gone to pay their condolences for the death of his nephew Malik. He died while trying to kill a sniper terrorizing the posh district after fighting erupted throughout the capital on Aug. 21. "We all did our part for the revolution," he says solemnly. "We don't want any prizes and rewards. We just want our freedom."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2091254,00.html#ixzz1sXlkPKDW
Tanya Nolan of ABC Australia had an interview with a perp allegedly at Abu Salim. Very fake accent. Name of Hatem Kablan,allegedly, report here: at Audioboo. There is also a Part 2 with amusing use of the term shit bag.
ReplyDeleteThe relevant part about Abu Salim is transcribed here:
Friday August 26 12.42 [Australia time,i.e middle of night in Tripoli]
TANYA NOLAN: Tell me how low the medical supplies are at the medical centre and the other hospitals in Tripoli that you know of.
HATEM KABLAN: The worst hospital in Tripoli, it is called Abu Salim hospital.
TANYA NOLAN: And how bad is the situation of medical supplies there.
HATEM KABLAN: It's full, the people, the people in the ground, in the streets. We don't have a place to put them.
TANYA NOLAN: So you're saying that there are dead people in the streets because there is nowhere to put the bodies?
HATEM KABLAN: Yes, yes, we don't have a place to put the body. This is in the Abu Salim hospital.
And
they don't have a blood bank. They have, they need the blood and the
people can't reach this hospital because there is a lot of snipers.
Many interesting photo's !
ReplyDeletePublished on :
Friday, August 26, 2011
http://alft-teluu.blogspot.com/2011/08/nato-massacre-in-libya-pictures.html
I can't find a post for Tripoli Central Hospital, but it is worth noting the piece Inside a Libyan Hospital, Proof of a Revolt's Costs,By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK and KAREEM FAHIM
ReplyDeletePublished: August 25, 2011.
Their morgue was already overflowing, with more than 115 bodies of fighters and civilians still unclaimed...“I haven’t left in six days,” said Dr. Nabil Bay. (i.e. he worked during the transition) Among the hundreds of bodies in the Tripoli Central Hospital morgue — some in wall drawers, but many lying on the floor barely covered — at least one was bound at the hands, although it was unclear which side he fought for or whether he had been wounded before he was bound. Dr. Essam Ben Masoud, 34,....said he kept working surreptitiously for the rebels. In preparation for the final uprising, he said, he and other doctors from Tripoli Central Hospital helped set up 15 makeshift field hospitals of a network of 30 in homes around Green Square, where they treated wounded rebels last weekend....On Tuesday, when rebels stormed Bab al-Aziziya, the flow of patients surged, and as many as 40 died at the hospital or arrived dead, doctors said, all of them rebels. The next day “we found a refrigerator truck — like a refrigerator for transporting cheese — with 28 dead bodies in it,” Dr. Masoud said, suggesting that the Qaddafi forces had killed people in the street and hid the bodies.
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Tracey Shelton at Global Post quoted Dr Faisal Jriwat [who] said some openly pro-Gaddafi staff and patients have remained in the hospital, including injured fighters.
“Why would they leave?” he asked. “If they were forced out, where is the change? It would be like the flip side of the same coin. Now everyone is free to believe what they want, even if they still believe in Gaddafi.”
Gaddafi soldiers in one ward agreed saying they had been treated well.
YouTube user zizonish uploaded a few videos from Sept 4 showing doctors at the TCH going mad with delight at the loss of Tripoli to the rebels, eg here
Thank you for the "mad with delight" hospital video. I think this is the same scene that was shown on a Finnish news broadcast as proof of how happy Tripoli was of liberation. To me it only proved that the Tripoli Central Hospital was a rats nest. Well, in fact I thought it must have been Dr. Rajub's Tripoli Medical Center. Another indication that doctors were a major force in the "revolution".
DeleteHowever, the delight was short-lived - see my links below.
DeleteAn obscure post at Demotix:Wounded and dead fill Tripoli hospitals after week-long Battle , by Ivan Labianca,27 August 2011.
ReplyDeleteAt the Abu Salim hospital, ["yesterday" 26 Aug] many bodies, swarming with flies, were laying in the open air and even more were being kept inside. Workers were in the process of removing them one by one. The stench was awful. Doctor Ahmed Sawan who said he was at the hospital the night of the 20th said he and two others were treating both rebels and loyalists until a group of Gaddafi soldiers told them only to treat wounded loyalists. They wheeled the wounded rebels out of of the hospital and executed them. However, the bodies I saw outside were mostly black africans, a majority of which are loyalist fighters.
An interesting comment!
Tripoli Central Hospital was vandalized by a group of mercenaries belonging to the NATO-04 12 2011 : هجوم مرتزقة الناتو علي مستشفي طرابلس المركزي (uploaded Dec 4 by amazighforceone) A shorter video was uploaded Dec 3.
ReplyDeleteThe reason was reported by the BBC on December 21: On Tuesday, staff at the Central Hospital, on Zawiya Street in Tripoli, went back to work after a 10-day strike.
The strike was called after local militiamen broke into the office of Professor Nureddin Aribi, the hospital's director, forced him out at gunpoint, and briefly detained him.
Prof Aribi has been unavailable for comment since being released.
An interior ministry spokesman, Col Mustafa al-Tir, described the incident as a "misunderstanding".
An orthopaedic registrar told me that the strike was called by junior doctors at the hospital. He along with nine middle-grade doctors on the strike committee would not give their names...Central Hospital has had security problems since the August liberation of Tripoli. Last month, doctors briefly walked out when intern Dr Mohamed Baruni was attacked on hospital grounds.
He had been trying to protect a female colleague from militiamen, who were insisting that she end her break and go back inside to work. wrote UK doctor Saleyha Ahsan
Ben Knight of ABC Australia presents a hospital video on this page: Humanitarian crisis worsens in war-torn Libya, article by Anne Barker, dateline 27 August, who visited the Khamis shed later. It contains some of the most vivid hospital footage I have seen from Tripoli - no V-signs, or rebel blankets, just genuine wounds and dead bodies (which unsurprisingly are black). The footage is from the Tripoli Medical Centre in Zawiyah Street, but the report concludes with new Abu Salim hospital massacre external footage. The photographer is Charles Onians at the TNC Medical Centre (sic).
ReplyDeletespotted by Hurriya on the Moaz Zeiton page comments
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWHDypYNCuY&feature=related
ReplyDelete@0.36 : we going to put them in the other hospital , in Tripoli hospital,
the big hospital
sky news vid
Hundreds of thousands of Africans fled Libya to their home countries, mainly Chad, Mali, Niger, Sudan and Somalia in the early days of the revolution in late-February and March.
ReplyDeleteYet there is evidence that as they left, small numbers of men from the same countries were travelling in the other direction. Late last week at Abu Selim hospital, Dr Sami, a trauma surgeon, walked the Guardian around the grounds.
Every blood-caked trolley from inside the building had been wheeled outside into the scorching sunlight because the hospital was being disinfected in an effort to cleanse the stain and scent of death caused by so many bodies.
Sami took us to a hut near the hospital entrance, where cleaners had kept a memento – a wallet-sized card issued to a man from Chad. On one side it said in Arabic and English: "Carry this with you at all times and you will be safe." On the other side it said: "I am here to protect the king of kings."
Sami said: "This is what was given to the mercenaries. There were dozens like this. We had many, many of them in this hospital in the past few days. Most couldn't speak Arabic, or English. They would just point at their injuries. They didn't want to be admitted even if they were in agonising pain. Most of the bodies we had here were black Africans. And most of them were not claimed by anyone."
Dr Ghassem Barouni
DeleteIn a second hospital, Shara Zaweya, in the centre of town, Dr Ghassem Barouni has also been treating suspected African fighters. He held up a necklace of one man – a Tuareg tribesman – who claimed to hold Libyan nationality and said: "He believed this was going to protect him from bullets. He was still very loyal to Gaddafi, even after all this death.
"It is 200% true that there were mercenaries here fighting for Gaddafi," he said. "Many of them came just for that purpose. But there are others who have been here for a long time. They were allowed to work here and they were given benefits. But there was a price to pay for that. When the time came they were expected to fight."
Sami's account has been supported by interviews with many other officials over the past week who suggest an unknown number of non-military men took up arms to support Gaddafi in the dying days of his regime. Some were compelled to do so. Others apparently volunteered.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/02/libya-gaddafi-army-mercenaries-backlash
Note that this a propaganda piece maintaining the mercenary story,
what really happened is that many civilians picked up arms against invaders , this fact Ive never read in any article
One said at least 400 people had been killed.
Delete“It is chaos,” said Aladdin Ben Ramadan, the head neurosurgeon at the Shara al-Zawiyah Hospital.
MSF :
DeleteThe humanitarian group Medecins Sans Frontieres, also called Doctors Without Borders, said support facilities in the capital were overwhelmed with patients.
August 24, 2011 10:23 p.m. EDT
http://www.squidoo.com/fisher-capital-management-strategies-fbi-scam-alert-online-car-sales-iiii
"Almost all of the hospitals around the city are receiving wounded, but some of the hospitals have not been accessible due to the fighting, which means that other hospitals have an added burden," said Jonathan Whittall, MSF head of mission in Tripoli.
ICRC :
DeleteWe need professional help, from the international Red Cross, because there has been a massacre in Abu Salim”Osama Pilil Abu Salim resident says
http://audioboo.fm/boos/446726-robin-waudo-of-red-cross-in-tripoli
ICRC helps facilities in weekend , 20, 21 aug
We go to Tripoli for an update from Robin Waudo, an International Red Cross spokesperson, who is part of a small team able to come to their office amid fighting and distribute medical aid for as many as 5,000 people who have reportedly been wounded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH_ilZC_P_g
ICRC help to free journo's 24 aug
Around 4:30 p.m., six ICRC staff members arrived at the hotel and took them to a safe location.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lQG9MgHmEQ&feature=relmfu
ICRC cooperate bury 1000ths of unidentified bodies
Amnesty said that “rebel” leaders estimated that one-third of the detainees were “foreign mercenaries,” meaning sub-Saharan Africans.
Delete“When Amnesty International spoke to several of the detainees, however, they said they were migrant workers. They said that they had been taken at gunpoint from their homes, workplaces and the street on account of their skin colour.”
Several said that they feared for their lives and that guards had told them that they would be “eliminated or else sentenced to death.”
Among those detained were a family of five from Chad, including a minor, who were taken off of a truck while being driven to a farm to collect produce
There has been no official tally of the number of people killed during the rebels' fight to take Tripoli. Both sides say the 6-month-old conflict has cost thousands of lives across the nation.
ReplyDeletehttp://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/28/world/la-fg-libya-fighting-20110828
It also could not be determined whether wounded patients had been left to die or whether any effort had been made to evacuate them.
A hospital in the previously government controlled Abu Silem district has been abandoned after a NATO bombardment followed by rebel advances.
ReplyDeleteNATO bombs also destroyed a local fire station and there are now reports of black Africans turning up in large numbers, dead, in hospitals.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/libya-tripoli-stands-in-defiance-of.html
When rebels took control of the area a few days ago doctors returned to the hospital, which by then was effectively a mass morgue.
ReplyDeleteAt least two men were shot in their beds. They were on the second floor covered with blankets.
As the gurneys were wheeled away you could see where a bullet had passed through the pillow. The blood on the wall hinted at an execution.
One of the bodies had a Libyan military card identifying him as a special forces member.
Nobody there claimed to know whether it was Gadhafi or rebel gunmen who executed them
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110826/libya-tripoli-abu-salim-hospital-gadhafi-110827/
pls check vid complete : first y have the cato talking, then the talk canadian executed, goldstone talk,weapon looting in shed, then abu saleem hospital , then the orange top boy to area Shed!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUPJOoHdBfM
begin of the vid for compare area
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a Canadian was executed in a prison
a Second Canadian shot dead while storming Gadhafi compound ,
A friend has revealed that Nader Benrewin was shot dead by a sniper as he took part in a raid on Gadhafi's Bab al-Aziziya compound in Tripoli, which Libyan rebels stormed on Tuesday.
http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20110825/470_canadian_killed_in_liby2_225128.jpg?2
Benrewin, 24, was born in Edmonton, but worked in Ottawa for the past three years, Haitham Alabadleh told The Canadian Press.
http://reports.wbmonitor.com/reports/view/808
ReplyDeleteGhargoor (not far from Bab Alziziya), Bu Sleem, Alhadba, Airport road, and Qasr Bin Ghashir.
People are using passwords in order to be allowed through certain checkpoints manned by NTC forces
http://jah.oxfordjournals.org/content/88/3/1154.extract
Rebels, residents set up checkpoints in 'liberated' areas of Tripoli/01:22 Aug 22 2011
http://reports.wbmonitor.com/reports/view/775
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/heydrich/libya-update-19-aug-2011
25.08.2011: roadblocks & bombs preventing medical care to come to abu saleem hospital ?
[If Gaddafi is still in Tripoli he'll probably wait] UNTIL THE ROADS ARE REOPENED, Jalloud said in Rome
8/24 - 8/27 From a Good Source
ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Neighbourhoods in Tripoli are being encouraged to have their own sons/FF guard their areas. Already happening in many free areas
pdanahar Paul Danahar
by m_madi
Have to admire ingenuity of local #Libya checkpoints. Seen chicanes made of spent artillery shells, sofas, shot up cars & washing machines
http://www.libyauprisingarchive.com/91---95-from-a-good-source.html
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/africa/120216/libya-muammar-gaddafis-james-foley-bani-walid-chapter-one
ReplyDelete@ 0.46 : [ green ]martyr square : all the roadblocks in the streets are to protect from criminals
ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
ReplyDeleteHathba and Busleem are 80% under control except 2 or 3 buildings and apartment blocks that need clearing & de-snipering ;)
http://www.libyauprisingarchive.com/824---827-from-a-good-source.html
The rebels claim they control the Tripoli airport but are still clashing with Gaddafi forces around it. AP reporters said the road leading to the airport is closed because of heavy fire from regime snipers.
ReplyDelete8/24 From a Good Source
ReplyDeleteLisaatSky
Fighting around airportroad The area is called Al Hadbah al Khadra where I lived its not far from Rixos edge Nasr forest #Libya
Rixos Al Nasr hotel, a hospital in Tajura
ReplyDeleteloyalist forces were definitively known to remain in control of Bab al-Azizia, the Rixos Al Nasr hotel, a hospital in Tajura,[72] 22 August
http://revolutionaryprogram.blogspot.com/2011/08/tipping-point.html
Rebel forces in Tajoura said they were negotiating with loyalist forces, holed up in the local hospital, to surrender.[75]
Another report had him [ the Colonel] in the Tajura cardiac hospital.[80]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZeeLpf-1OI&feature=related
معركة تاجوراء 21-8-2011
The interim government has set up barricades in the streets and checkpoints, snipers deployed in strategic locations on Sunday,
ReplyDeletea day after troops entered the city from the east and west until it became just one mile from its center.
http://alshoka.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48102&page=102&langid=4
From the Frankfurter Rundschau, Die erschöpften Sieger von Tripolis, Thomas Schmid, Aug 29 2011. This has a graphic description of the scene in German: (google translate)
ReplyDeleteIn the front yard of the hospital of Abu Salim, a suburb of Tripoli, where fighting was especially fierce to Friday, 17 corpses lying side by side or one above the other, some strange twisted, apparently thrown carelessly. On the uncovered parts of the body, to nose, eyes, hands and feet, even on bellies, flies have settled. It smells terrible. There are 34 degrees in the shade, and the corpses for at least two days, maybe even twice as long as exposed to the blazing sun.
Doctors can only count corpses
Just outside the entrance of the hospital another seven corpses lying on a green cloth covers it. Equal to a truck come and take her to the morgue. Or are they buried somewhere? Down in the basement of the hospital wipe young men and women on the ground. Down there now are no more bodies, but the sweet smell of rotting flesh can not wash away so quickly. Without a mouth guard, it is thought not.
The corpses in the garden are a terrible sight - and yet only a part of the horrors that have happened in the hospital the past few days notice. The doctors and nurses had fled when the fighting began, says Mourad Boukcita, the pharmacist of the hospital. When he walked into the clinic, there were only dead bodies have been, 72 he has seen. Bruno Steven,(sic) [Bruno Stevens actually - see here for his Abu Salim Hospital photos,44 of them ] a photographer from Belgium told that he had been watching for several hours, such as trucks drove up and transported away corpses. He counted 130 deaths, but it is also certain that many more people died here, especially as the transports were already underway when he arrived. On the first floor of the hospital, he has discovered many dead, the - close of the gunshot wounds - had been well executed. Other patients are probably died because they were no longer cared for.
24 Aug 2011/Tripoli Central Hospital , Dr Mahjoub Rishi
ReplyDeletewhich are : Tripoli’s two other major hospitals ??? :
The Telegraph reported that Tripoli’s two other major hospitals were similarly overflowing with casualties and desperately understaffed, as were all of the city’s private hospitals.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/aug2011/liby-a26.shtml
I haven’t left in six days, said Dr. Nabil Bay. “Qaddafi controlled the hospital on Saturday and Sunday, and the rebels took over Monday, [=22 aug]
DeleteBy DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK and KAREEM FAHIM /Published: August 25, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/26/world/africa/nato-joins-hunt-for-qaddafi-gadhafi-gaddafi.html?pagewanted=all
Tripoli Central Hospital ,Dr Mahjoub Rishi :On Saturday night [ 20 aug ] some injured men came to me and asked for help. They knew they couldn't go to the government hospital because they supported the revolution.
Tripoli Central Hospital ,Dr Mahjoub Rishi, Professor of Surgery :
They then fired into each of his legs and stormed out, back to the battle, leaving him for dead.said Dr Mahjoub Rishi, Professor of Surgery at the hospital
"He only survived because a man living near his clinic overcame his fear of the Gaddafi soldiers AND TOOK HIM TO THE HOSPITAL."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8721027/Libya-In-Tripolis-hospitals-they-die-on-the-beds-and-die-on-the-floors.html
The NYT piece is clearly about Tripoli Medical Center, so of peripheral interet. But it does merit a look as a nearby part of the same medical system. Consider this quote:
Delete"In their drive to take command of Tripoli, the rebels concentrated their forces on a block-by-block battle for the streets of the Abu Salim neighborhood, a center of Colonel Qaddafi’s support. By late afternoon, the fighting had once again swamped Tripoli Central Hospital with wounded civilians and combatants."
In a piece that makes no mention of the hospital IN Abu Salim knocked so brutally out of commission. As if it never existed. Until the news the next day, when bodies mostly dead about 3-4 days (my estimate) were revealed. This surely increased the load and decreased survival rates at the overworked remaining major hospital. And that's just among those-mostly rebel fighters - the rebels would let be sent to any hospital. They kept their own captives, bandaged a bit or not, or killed them on the spot, usually.
As for Dr. Rishi, yes, a troubling story. Not sure what to make of it,but it might have to be mentioned too. This could almost turn into a whole parallel war for Tripoli fought in its hospitals. Someone sure as hell was violating medical neutrality in those days, and the experts on the subject (PHR) haven't said a word about it.
"This could almost turn into a whole parallel war for Tripoli fought in its hospitals."
Deleteimho the unrest at TMC nowadays has also a relation with the take over by UK exiles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwHV9hYRyqY&feature=related
Libyan doctors in solidarity with Libya
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http://www.youtube.com/user/libyansrevolt
by libyansrevolt ,Latest Activity Feb 8, 2012
Date Joined Feb 21, 2011
Age 40 Country United Kingdom
"a whole parallel war for Tripoli fought in its hospitals."
Deleteimho the unrest at TMC nowadays is also related with the take over by UK exiles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwHV9hYRyqY&feature=related
Libyan doctors in solidarity with Libya
Uploaded by libyansrevolt on Feb 26, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/user/libyansrevolt
by libyansrevolt ,Latest Activity Feb 8, 2012
Date Joined Feb 21, 2011
Age 40 Country United Kingdom
sorry for double posting : got error 502 this time
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early call to the world of drs & business men , some names which seemed familiair to me :
- Dr. Asaid Zeiton (Surgery)
- Dr. Moez Zeiton (FY2)
-Dr. Mohamed Lafi (Surgeon)
- Dr. Hussain Tumi (Anaesthesia)
- Dr. Adel Barouni (GP)
- Dr. Hani Ben amer FRCP (Neurologist
-Dr Ariej Elmangoush (Dentist)
-Dr. Muftah Beitelmal (Paediatrics)
- Dr Haitham Ben Ali. FRCS. (Neurosurgeon)
-- Dr. Ahmed Zayat (Rheumatology)
--Dr.Ottman Elgadi FRCS (Orthopodic Surgeon)
an early activist , may be with many relatives , published the same list:
DeleteFebruary 23, 2011
http://libyaappeal.com/2011/02/hello-world/
http://www.archofkuwait.com/dar-al-funoon-ali-omar-ermes-exhibition
Ali Omar Ermes Exhibition
Mrs Nafisah Ermes (Research Manager)
Mr Radwan A Ermes (Contract Manager)
Mr Abdul-Rahman Ermes (Entrepreneur)
Mr Zakariya Ermes (Businessman)
Mr Mohammed Ermes (Businessman)
Mr Omar Ermes (Marketing Manager)
-Dr Mohammed A. Tumi Chamber’s president
Deletehttp://www.libyaherald.com/new-decree-for-foreign-ownership-in-companies-released/
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-06-15/politics/30064117_1_media-coverage-media-pandered-rapes#ixzz1u0r2ZTWL
Hana Elgadi
http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2011/11/western-media-war-crimes-believing.html#more
The evidence comes from two ladies. One lady calling herself Hana Elgadi. This is her Facebook page
the early activist : Mohammed Ermes, London, Feb 2011
Deletehttp://libyaappeal.com/petitions/
provides even an uprising map of 15 feb 2011 :
http://libyaappeal.com/about/
February 15 21:00hrs EST (US)
Last Updated by Arasmus on Feb 15, 2011
Arrests of activists & journalists in Tripoli
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=h&source=embed&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=215454646984933465708.00049c59184ae1136341a&num=200&start=364&sll=31.233966,18.06225&sspn=9.301267,14.1911&ll=31.240985,18.061523&spn=10.991814,15.466673&iwloc=lyrftr:msid:215454646984933465708.00049c59184ae1136341a,00049c5c8855aaaaeea42,,,0,-31
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2011/08/2011826573517261.html
ReplyDelete26 Aug 2011 Doctors at the hospital in Abu Salim said snipers loyal to Gaddafi kept new patients and health care workers away from the facility.
A lack of supplies, nurses and surgeons has contributed to the difficulties in dealing with the injured.
"It is a disaster," said medical-student-turned-nurse Mohammed Yunis.
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There was no escape for the residents of Abu Salim, trapped as the fighting spread all around them,” Sengupta reported. “In the corner of a street, a man who was shot in the crossfire, the back of his blue shirt soaked in blood, was being carried away by three others.
‘I know that man, he is a shopkeeper,’ said Sama Abdessalam Bashti, who had just run across the road to reach his home. ‘The rebels are attacking our homes. This should not be happening.
“‘The rebels are saying they are fighting government troops here, but all those getting hurt are ordinary people, the only buildings being damaged are those of local people. There has also been looting by the rebels, they have gone into houses to search for people and taken away things. Why are they doing this?’”
Asked why local residents were resisting the NATO-led force’s takeover of the city, Mohammed Selim Mohammed, a 38-year-old engineer, told the Independent, “Maybe they just do not like the rebels. Why are people from outside Tripoli coming and arresting our men?”
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/aug2011/liby-a26.shtml
Something in this RT video of Syria chimes with me:
ReplyDeleteSyrian rebels took bodies from hospital to stage massacre - nun
Uploaded June 16 2012.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIHeOs7alks
ReplyDeletedr. naser abugfifa , senior surgeon,mitiga hospital
unless what abugfifa claims the rebels received elaborated medical help :
http://zomobo.net/injured-libyans
http://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/debt-ridden-jordan-pushes-libya-to-pay-bills-1.1321223#.T98slfVIWCx
jordan, which touts itself as a top destination in the Arab world for medical care, is demanding that Tripoli pay up more than $200 million in medical and hotel bills.
Thanks, Hurriya. That's another terrible video! The "senior surgeon" Abugfifa leaves no other internet trace. Mitiga was no ordinary hospital.
DeleteAnother terrible NATO video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp5Rh4Zz3Po. Notice NATO/Rasmussen groupie and Guardian Free Generation Movement favourite Mervat Mhani prominent at 0.13 and 3.12.
Nizar, the oral surgeon from Cardiff, and his sister Mervat, had started a campaign of civil disobedience,/Nizar Mhani (Niz Ben-Essa)
DeleteNiz Mhani had lived in Britain for ten years, becoming a successful dentist
But Niz's cousin, Mukhtar, an IT expert in a government department, hacked in to the Libyan regime's own computers and set up a clandestine link to the outside world through his ministry's own satellite dish.
http://www.immortaltechnique.co.uk/Thread-Libya-uprising-one-year-on-The-Free-Generation-Movement
DeleteIn the first of four videos to mark the start of the Libyan uprising a year ago, Dr Mohammed takes us back to the scene of a brutal assault on Zawiyah, on the outskirts of Tripoli, where an estimated 600 people are believed to have been killed by the Gaddafi regime.
Dr Mohammed became famous for anonymously speaking to the international media during the bloody weekend of 4 March to 7 March 2011
Bash Libyano | causes.com
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Bash recruited Khalid ElKhazmi to Change Libya Flag in Skype about 1 month ago. Qkt. Bash recruited Mohammed Ali Leghuil to Change Libya Flag in Skype ...
Dr Mohammed Ali Leghuil /Leghuel seems to be related to :
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lckWl9vwIjQ
tripoli brigade,nafusa , commander mehdi @ 0.27
Mohamed Amin نعم هم رجال ليبيا ...العروبه والاسلام اخلاقناااا تحية للابطال....
October 1, 2011 at 7:14am
Mohammed Ali Leghuel تم التاسيس في بنغازي وانت الصادق بعدين انتقلت لي نالوت
October 1, 2011 at 7:25am · 2
http://www.facebook.com/click17/posts/255183704519380
It's not clear from where the shooting came, but a rebel field commander, Mohammed Amin, says the last hold outs among regime loyalists have entrenched themselves in areas near the compound.
http://www.news.com.au/world/reports-gunfire-blasts-heard-in-tripoli/story-e6frfkyi-1226118923704#ixzz1w1nisg35
Shed escapee mohamed lamien @ 3.06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aX0WC78QmA&t=2m32s
http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/02/16/libya-arrests-assaults-advance-planned-protests
List of those arrested so far: nr 7Habib al-Amin / nr 8 Mohamed al-Amin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y57PrSWaZno
DeleteDr Mohammed takes us back to the scene of a brutal assault on Zawiyah, on the outskirts of Tripoli, where an estimated 600 people are believed to have been killed by the Gaddafi regime.
http://vimeo.com/37239151
“Dr M – the plastic bullet doctor” was a Doctor working in Az Zaiwyah Hospital, and became famous for anonymously speaking to the international media exposing the brutal crackdown of Gaddafi’s forces during the long and bloody weekend of March 4 – March 7 2011.
Zawiyah on the outskirts of Tripoli, was just 15 km from the feared and loathed Khamis Brigade headquarters. It was said that Khamis Gaddafi himself was personally in charge of the brutal assault on Zawiyah, including the attack on the mosque in Martyr Square, which resulted in the mosque being razed to the ground.
Dr Mohamed Murabit – “Dr M” and his son Ferras - who was himself attempting to march from Zawiyah to Tripoli show us the site of the attack and take us to Zawiyah hospital and Martyr Square where an estimated 600 people are believed to have been killed by the Gaddafi Regime in Zawiyah alone.
Part of the Tripoli Underground series for The Guardian. Filmed, Directed, Produced and Edited by Sharron Ward. guardian.co.uk/world/series/tripoli-underground
With special thanks for exclusive footage of Zawiyah by Sky News/Martin Smith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKXF6NT5ezs&feature=email
DeleteUploaded by Libyantreasure on Mar 11, 2011
Gadhafi removing and hiding Graves of dead people القذافي يخفي قبور الشهداء في الزاوية
are Mohammed Ali Leghuil & Mohamed Murabit different ppl?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y57PrSWaZno
Deletecheck farj murabit @ 0.52, speaking english as a native speaker
http://www.guardian.co.uk/journalismcompetition/longlist-women-in-libya-now-face-a-greater-battle-for-liberation-from-tradition?CMP=twt_gu
Recaptured by pro-Gaddafi forces, the city, just 23 miles from the capital Tripoli, was the stage for much of the fiercest fighting of the revolution.
At her mother's insistence, Alaa Murabit's brothers had gone to the front to fight. Her father Mohammed, or 'Dr M' as he is better known, was co-ordinating the medical treatment for the wounded thwar, the revolutionary fighters. Watching helplessly at the news and praying for their safety, she decided it was time to act.
After filming their video, Alaa and her friend became more actively involved in the fighting
not in march , our QuatchiCanada on May 12, 2011
DeleteThis mass grave was recently discovered in the area of Joudayam, west of Tripoli (Libya) near the Scouts forest.
The civilians killed were from the city of Az-Zawia. The dead were moved by Gaddafi's forces from their graves in the city of Az-Zawia and hidden in Joudayam.
The bodies were dumped and lightly covered with dirt. The narrator is looking for the body of his dead brother, but most of the bodies are decaying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xsiz7qex2U&feature=player_embedded#!
Deletesame vid , body parts out of the soil
ok, sorry I came so out of topic
This mass grave was recently discovered in the area of Joudayam, west of Tripoli (Libya) near the Scouts forest. The civilians killed were from the city of Az-Zawia
DeleteThe Amnesty International researcher for Libya, Diana Eltahawy told the Washington Post that many of the Sub-Saharan African detainees in Zawiyah were migrant workers who were “taken at gunpoint from their homes, workplaces and the street on account of their skin color”.
more about drs of zawiya :
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbqfIfuLwy0&feature=related
Doctor in Libya describing the situation in hospitals (English)
Uploaded by ibnomar2005 on Mar 4, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xb2y9AQ36M&feature=channel
Libya 5-3-2011 a Docter from Az Zawiyah - Nouredinne Jebnoun
Uploaded by localmcmedianed on Mar 5, 2011
a Docter from Az Zawiyah - Nouredinne Jebnoun.01:38 http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ : audio source Al Jazeera English: Live Stream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu6oa-QBv9c
mohamed zawiya :loyalists randomly firing at the youth
1856:
Dr Sabrey, in Zawiya, tells BBC World Have Your Say: "I've seen people hanged, seen my colleagues - professors - hanged in front of students in the streets. Now if you say this is wrong, or not suitable, or if they see in your face you're not happy, they prosecute you, put in jail, and you might be hanged afterwards."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14610722
some of first battle zawiya :
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6jCsceAEf4
2 March – 4 March
http://www.rtbot.net/First_Battle_of_Zawiya
IbnOmar2005 Ibn Omar
#Libya Looks like caller from #Zawiya was not completely exaggerating, my source wants to contact media #AlJazeera #Alarabiya Arabic only.
Looks like caller from #Zawiya was not completely exaggerating. need AJA AlA immediately Catherina Mar-07-11 02:31 PM #16
Some area's in #Zawiya are completely destroyed. He is also starving the people > Catherina Mar-07-11 02:53 PM #29
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-EZvossVMQ&feature=yout
LibyanDictator The Dictator
Via Aljazeera: #Zawiya still under control of the people, death toll at minimum of 8, tens of injured. A lot of destruction. #Libya #Feb17
http://www.yasni.com/ext.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2Fdiscuss%2Fduboard.php%3Faz%3Dview_all%26address%3D439x578977&name=Mabrouk+Ali&cat=filter&showads=1
The witnesses said youths from Zawiya were stationed on the rooftops of high-rise buildings in the city to monitor the movements of the pro-Qaddafi forces and sound the warning if they though an attack was imminent.
Deletehttp://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/qaddafi-forces-thwarted-in-zawiya-by-opposition-militia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6jCsceAEf4
[SAVE-LIBYA] Al Zawiya Hospital In A State Of Full Alert As Ambulances Arrive
Uploaded by SaveLibya on Feb 27, 2011
IbnOmar2005 Ibn Omar is also the man providing :
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ibnomar2005= REBELSIDE/COMMENT IBNOMAR : Confiscated video of Gaddafi soldiers show massacred civilians executed in Qalaa Libya. The Gaddafi soldiers repeatedly call the victims "rats"
second battle zawiya
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x44Hs1L8Js
zawiya million march 16 7
http://globalciviliansforpeace.com/2011/07/18/cnn-coverage-of-large-demonstration-against-nato-and-the-rebels-in-zawiya/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=lkUHVbUJmXg&NR=1
Libya - Khamis Brigades liberate Zawiya, Green Resistance continues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joYHZhEUfwE&feature=related
al zawiya city fully liberated 19 8 11
some aftermath :
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-31/black-libyans-targeted-by-rebels-with-sub-saharan-africans-amnesty-says.html
http://globalciviliansforpeace.com/2012/01/27/natos-grisly-crimes-in-libya/
Based on interviews with victims of war crimes as well as with witnesses and Libyan officials in Tripoli, Zawiya, Sibrata, Khoms, Zliten, Misrata, Tawergha and Sirte, the report calls for the investigation of evidence that NATO targeted civilian sites, causing many deaths and injuries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cCDqp0mJnQ
October 24, 2011/Rebels in the newly liberated Libya have arrested around 70 doctors and nurses in Zawiya
http://libyen-sos-germany.de/berichte/rebels-arrest-medical-staff.html
. During the revolution Dr Hisham saved hundreds of lives
http://www.libyaherald.com/libyans-protesting-against-abduction-and-torture-of-a-neurosurgeon/
back to tripoli hospitals aug 2011:
ReplyDeleteAug 31, 2011 The following day, Amnesty said its investigators saw three rebels drag a black Libyan from his bed at the Central Tripoli Hospital and detain him.
Two other black Libyans receiving treatment for gunshot wounds were told by anti-Qaddafi forces that “their turn was coming,” according to the report.
Amnesty said its workers examined that same day the body of an unidentified black man who was brought into the Tripoli Medical Center morgue by unknown men. While he bore no visible injuries, his feet and his torso were tied and blood was smudged around his mouth.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-31/black-libyans-targeted-by-rebels-with-sub-saharan-africans-amnesty-says.html
How NATO Dogs Treat Doctors and Nurses in Al Zawiya Street Hospital,Beating and Yelling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FGRG3PmCWM
After training in Benghazi, the men would return to Tripoli either through the sea disguised as fishermen or through the western mountains.
ReplyDelete“They went back to Tripoli and waited; they became sleeper cells,” said military spokesman Fadlallah Haroun, who helped organize the operation.
He said that many of the trained fighters also stayed in the cities west of Tripoli, including Zintan and Zawiya, and waited for the day to come to push into the capital.
Operation Mermaid Dawn began on the night of August 21…
http://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/2011/08/page/2/
Haroun said about 150 men rose up from inside Tripoli,
blocking streets,
engaging in armed street fights with Gadhafi brigades, and taking over their streets with check points.
He said another 200 men from Misrata.
Ooh, everyone drop everything! I have a thought/question: Hurriya cited a source above:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/news-release/2011/libya-news-2011-08-22.htm__“In one of the hospitals we visited today, only one doctor was left to look after 25 patients, including 15 seriously wounded,” added Comninos. “We are mobilizing a complete surgical team to support the medical staff and help hospitals cope with the situation.”
On the 22nd – was this still in loyalist hands? I think the massacre happened around then, give or take. Left with "one doctor," is strange enough I think it's post-massacre. The number of patients is close to what was removed days later, but I think some of those were actors. There's no mention of dead or blood spatters, and little reason to suspect a massacre after rebel control was established - unless they just went on a safari that night, later replacing the 25 patients...
Anyway, could ICRC people visit a place where a massacre already happened and not notice it? Perhaps, in a carefully guided tour when the bodies aren't rotting yet. Or did they visit a besieged loyalist hospital and try to arrange help just hours before the rebels finally changed management for good?
The best clue would be to hear what this lone doctor said about the situation and who was to blame. That would solve the puzzle instantly. Anyone able to find anything on that?
Wow indeed. George Comninos is a big noise - head of the International Committee of the Red Cross and also ICRC's head of delegation in Tripoli.
DeleteAnother [same report] from the 22nd here:
http://www.humanitarianforum.org/news.php/en/259/libya-icrc-delivers-emergency-supplies-to-tripoli-hospitals
So, clearly no serious fighting around Abu Salim on the 22nd,else no access...
http://www.channel4.com/news/libya-the-horror-inside-tripolis-abu-salim Alex Thomson, Aug 26:
"Conditions in there are dreadful – just dreadful," said Red Cross worker Bridget Comninos, "we are just trying to assist doctors here." Bridget Comninos appears in the Channel 4 video clip "Horror in Abu Salim" at 2.17 (report from 1.55 onwards). [This video doesn't seem to be in the master list) "Bridget Comninos" has no other internet presence. In fact, she is
Brigitte Meng Comninos, bmeng@icrc.org, "multilateral delegate" in Tripoli
Compare with report from ICRC on August 25:
http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/update/2011/libya-update-2011-08-25.htm :
"Fighting is still going on in several parts of the city, notably in and around the Abu Salim area," said George Comninos, the head of the ICRC delegation in Tripoli. "Since Monday [Aug 22] we have seen many wounded people in medical facilities and dozens of dead bodies."
A surgical team, comprising a surgeon, an anaesthetist and two nurses, is set to arrive in Libya's capital tomorrow, 26 August, in a convoy that will also bring in more medical supplies. A second team, set up with support from the Finnish Red Cross, should follow a day later.
"So far, we have delivered enough medical supplies to treat at least 500 people, but there are likely to be many more casualties," said Mr Comninos. "We are increasingly concerned about the inability of medical personnel to reach hospitals. Abu Salim Trauma Centre, which is in an area where fighting is taking place, simply cannot function because of a lack of staff."
There is something very very wrong with the official account and timeline.
Then, the final statement, Aug 29: http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,ICRC,,LBY,4e5c79c12,0.html
"Abu Salim Hospital, one of the main trauma hospitals, stopped functioning altogether because of the lack of staff. Dozens of people were left to die there," said Mr Comninos. On 26 August, the ICRC transferred 17 wounded survivors - including one child - from Abu Salim Hospital to Tripoli Medical Centre so that they could receive urgent assistance.
Ive posted yesterday a time line of MSF from 18 till 26 aug : where is it ?
DeleteWhen comments disappear every time , too much work & didn't save a copy, I see the message : yr comment is published , I can read it after posting and gone, gone day after , then I better can stop
26 aug
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Seventeen survivors taken away from Abu Salim's hospital for treatment by the Red Cross
http://i42.tinypic.com/rian9k.jpg
dr osama bilin @ abu saleem hospital, cleaning in order of mosque
dr salem khaseh , one of 2 drs abu saleem hospital
http://i41.tinypic.com/nvsllx.jpg
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkn68c_rebels-closing-in-on-tripoli_news
Robin Waudo, from the International Committee of the Red Cross, talks about the situation in Tripoli as Libyan rebels near Gadhafi's stronghold.
sorry : paranoia for nothing this time : posted it on another page :
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ICRC helps facilities in weekend , 20, 21 aug
ReplyDeleteWe go to Tripoli for an update from Robin Waudo, an International Red Cross spokesperson, who is part of a small team able to come to their office amid fighting and distribute medical aid for as many as 5,000 people who have reportedly been wounded
http://audioboo.fm/boos/446726-robin-waudo-of-red-cross-in-tripoli
Fighting between rebels and Gadhafi loyalists broke out Wednesday [ = 24 aug]outside the Rixos Hotel, where 33 international journalists and two other foreign nationals were released after being held for five days by pro-Gadhafi forces, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross.
DeleteAround 4:30 p.m., six ICRC staff members arrived at the hotel and took them to a safe location.
http://www.squidoo.com/fisher-capital-management-strategies-fbi-scam-alert-online-car-sales-iiii
which hospital might this be ?
DeleteTuesday August 23, 2011 : the only working hospital
http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16054621
The hospital is in a particularly bad geographical position because it is very close to the Rixos hotel (where western journalists stay), and very close to the Gaddafi compound and Green Square.
8/24 From a Good Source
LisaatSky
Fighting around airportroad The area is called Al Hadbah al Khadra where I lived its not far from Rixos edge Nasr forest #Libya
on 24 aug the IRC was able to free journo's , despite heavy fightings in area
WHY THIS COULDN'T FOR ALL THE WOUNDED AND DYING PEOPLE IN ABU SALEEM ?
It also could not be determined whether wounded patients had been left to die or whether any effort had been made to evacuate them.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/28/world/la-fg-libya-fighting-20110828
@ felix : yr link :
Delete22 August 2011: “Today, our team started providing medical facilities, including the Abu Slim Trauma Centre,
http://www.humanitarianforum.org/news.php/en/259/libya-icrc-delivers-emergency-supplies-to-tripoli-hospitals
Robin Waudo - key witness. [Audioboo Guardian, Mon Aug 22 10.03hrs UK time] Also David Cameron UK PM: 11.24 Aug 22: The vast majority of Tripoli is under rebel control.
DeleteHear also Waudo's interview at Democracy Now, Aug 22 from 18.10 onwards.
Here's Robin
Delete@Hurriya - the hospital which Alex Crawford of Sky talks about must be Al Khadra' or El-Khadra' - الخضرا مستشفى طرابلس Strange that it barely gets a mention throughout the attack on Tripoli and so close to all the journos in the Rixos. Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/El-Khadra-Hospital/216697765057314
DeleteSo, what happened there in August 2011??
http://www.facebook.com/pages/El-Khadra-Hospital/216697765057314?sk=info
There is something very very wrong with the official account and timeline.
ReplyDeleteLong time wrong : full cooperation ICR putting the thousands of people so quickly in massgraves .
I doubt any dna is taken.
Always felt the massacres were quickly buried in the name of preventing diseases
Rush to bury bodies in Tripoli [Robert Hackwill,Euronews Aug 27]
Delete“We are already talking to medical workers about it because the dead need to be treated with dignity. First and foremost they need to be indentified and their families informed, but of course in some places the dead have been buried already; their pictures have been taken,” says the International Committee of the Red Cross’s Robin Waudo.
http://reliefweb.int/node/435965
ReplyDelete(New York, 25 July 2011) A United Nations team, including IOM, OCHA, UNFPA, UNHCR, UNICEF, WFP and WHO staff, completed a one-week mission to Tripoli on 24 July.
On the fourth mission to Tripoli since the beginning of the crisis, the team aimed to further assess the needs of IDPs and other vulnerable groups, to ensure people get the right help, and looked at the humanitarian impact of the conflict on civilians.
very noble ; maps for help, cough
Deletehttp://www.fastcompany.com/1736822/libya-crisis-map-united-nations
The Crisis Mappers volunteers working on the project consist of an assortment of information technology professionals, online security consultants, and non-governmental organization experts based in the United States, Africa, and Europe.
Crisis Mappers describes itself as “the largest and most active international community of experts, practitioners, policymakers, technologists, researchers, journalists, scholars, hackers, and skilled volunteers engaged at the intersection between humanitarian crises, technology, and crisis mapping.”
According to Meier, the OCHA activated the task force working on the project and is “providing feedback [on] what data and reports are of most interest to them for humanitarian preparedness operations.”
However, informants on the ground in Libya associated with contributing organizations also provide information used to update events. Information on the identity of these informants is not known to general users of the site.
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some members of Libiya OCHA
Ajdabya General Hospital
Benghazi Medical Centre (Hospital
ICRC Tripoli George Comninos
Ayadina association of social solidarity Muftah El-gamaty
British Libyan Solidarity Campaign (BLSC) Lucinda Lavelle
New Libya Foundation Washington, DC & Tripoli, Libya
Isnad Charity
Khaled K. El-Hamedi has an amazing network
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Thanks, Hurriya. See also http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/atrocities-conducted-by-canada-in-war.html
DeleteWhat happened to his law suit against NATO?
The bombing may have been carried out by Denmark or Norway.
21 feb 2011
Delete7.55pm: Through contacts, I've just talked on the phone with one of the organisers in Cairo of a convoy of medical supplies destined for the eastern part of Libya
He told me that the convoy, which was organised in conjunction with the Arab doctor's syndicate, the Red Crescent and Libyans living in Egypt, has just departed in the last couple of hours carrying antibiotics, needles and other supplies.
It is made up of five ambulance and 30 doctors, according to the man, an engineer with relatives in Libya, who told me: "The hospital system in the east of Libya and in other parts is collapsing."
correction : I was mixed up, connected Khaled El Hamedi with TNC gvt & UN / ngo's accomplice :
DeleteSSC’s Higher Security Branch had been shot by an unknown armed gang in Sidi Abdul Jalil, Janzour district. He named the two dead men as Ahmad Mohammad Hamidi, and Mohammed Abdel-Salam.
http://www.libyaherald.com/tripoli-ssc-killings-a-personal-dispute/
But he is a hunted man :
Morocco has conceded to the demands of the US-backed national transitional council, expelling Libyans known to be actively opposed to the US-backed occupation regime.
Al Khuwaildi Hamidi is rumored to be among those forced to leave the country.
Libya’s NTC presented the Moroccan government with a list that contained over 127 names of individuals they want either detained or extradited to Libya.
Following the Muslim Brotherhood victory, Libyan exiles in Egypt are also seeking safe sanctuary.
http://vivalibya.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/morocco-expelling-libyans-opposed-to-the-us-backed-ntc/
New Libiya Forum :
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http://api.ning.com/files/kfU-5hLEuTbMfUgW*SOa2yVMCNOPZ5n8Uga*YFjsYi9X5SxdB4fafl0RgF5iBInupfrKpgXrj2*xb4CZ32-gi8SEgu8p1AF4/ahmedjehani.jpg
Dr. Ahmed Jehani is the managing director of “JehanIntegration”, International trade & investment, law, finance and arbitration ICSID and ICC. From Augustus 2008 to September 2009, he was the Associate Director General of the EDB (the economic policy ministerial group of Lybia).
He studied at Harvard Law School, Fletcher School of Law & Diplomacy, and the University of Libya harvesting several degrees in Law, Finance & Economics (Juris Doctor, L.L.M, MA, MALD).
Ahmed Jehani is also one of three internationally recognized experts regarding Production Sharing Agreements / Concessions as evidenced by the highly acclaimed and authoritative semi-annual executive course which takes place in London and attended by petroleum industry executives which has won the Queen's Award for Enterprise.
http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/libya030411p.html
The Benghazi council chose as its leader the colorless former justice minister Mustafa Abdel Jalil. Jalil's brain is Mahmoud Jibril, a former head of the National Economic Development Board (NEDB). A U.S. embassy cable from May 11, 2009 (09TRIPOLI386) describes Jibril as keen on a close relationship with the U.S. and eager "to create a strategic partnership between private companies and the government." Jibril's NEBD had collaborated with Ernst & Young and the Oxford Group to make the Libyan state more "efficient." Jibril told the ambassador that "American companies and universities are welcome to join him" in the creation of new sectors outside hydrocarbons and that "we should take him up on his offer." His Ph.D. in strategic planning from the University of Pittsburg is useful in this context.
Dr. Gehani informed Mr. [Zeef]Gaddafi during the meeting that Dr. Gehani is the ‘architect’ of all allegations against him
http://vivalibya.wordpress.com/2012/04/22/opcd-report-on-saif-al-islam-gaddafis-situation-in-libya/
But he is a hunted man :
DeleteMorocco has conceded to the demands of the US-backed national transitional council, expelling Libyans known to be actively opposed to the US-backed occupation regime.
Al Khuwaildi Hamidi is rumored to be among those forced to leave the country.
other hunted people :
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/04/us-usa-libya-trade-
idUSBRE85311B20120604
Meanwhile, many wealthy Libyans who fled the country during the civil war had yet to return, Abushagur said.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18591792
Speaking for the first time about why he had been allowed back into the country, Dr Ibrahim said: "What's the problem in this? I'm very prepared to be investigated."
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Isnad Charity
-Libya's Islamist leader Ali Sallabi is in UK co ISNAD w Ibrahim Ali Dabaiba, son of ODAC head
http://www.odac-info.org/
http://topsy.com/company-director-check.co.uk/director/908732386
Led by human rights experts from the Warsaw-based Helsinki Foundation
Delete, the workshop provided participants with tactics for identifying and reporting human rights abuses, seeking justice for those abuses, and advocating for human rights protections. The course was implemented in cooperation with two local civil society groups – Human Rights Solidarity and the Libyan Center for Development and Human Rights
http://blog.usaid.gov/2011/09/young-people-in-benghazi-prepare-to-take-the-lead-on-human-rights-in-a-democratic-libya/
http://www.hfhrpol.waw.pl/en
Ibrahim El-Gehani, 17, added: “Human rights, a concept so important to maintaining world peace that has served so many people worldwide, is a key factor in the future Libya that we all envision.”
Meanwhile, many wealthy Libyans who fled the country during the civil war had yet to return, Abushagur said.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.libyaherald.com/us-arab-chamber-hosts-libyas-deputy-prime-minister/
The MOU, the third such agreement between the two chambers, is designed to promote trade and investment between Libya and the United States
http://www.rit.edu/news/story.php?id=48743
The president of RIT Dubai is returning to his homeland to serve as the deputy prime minister in the newly liberated country of Libya.
Abushagur
DeleteBut in early March, Libyan telecom executive Ousama Abushagur hatched a plan—drawn up on a napkin, no less—to split a section of the country’s cellphone network off so that calls could be made without being routed through Tripoli first.
After Abushagur’s request for the parts needed to integrate with Libya’s network was turned down by Huawei, which built Libya’s existing cellphone infrastructure, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar gave Abushagur the “several million dollars of telecommunications equipment” he needed to build his rogue network and he set off for rebel-occupied Benghazi.
http://techland.time.com/2011/04/13/how-libyan-rebels-built-their-own-cellphone-network/#ixzz1zBoiJo1c
wasn't a canadian darrat captured while repairing the network somewhere in libiya?
Khadija said Libyan officials led the family to believe that Darrat was taken out of Tripoli in order to do some sort of Internet work for the government.
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/08/26/another-canadian-killed-in-libya
http://www.webmii.hk/Result.aspx/Ahmed/Darrat
Back to the missing persons : a person investigate just to rebels missing :
ReplyDeleteAbdel Hadi, a former prosecutor now in charge of the missing persons file, stated that many of the men and women have been “forcibly taken away” by Qaddafi troops, while others may have left to escape the violence. (Associated Press)
27 August 2011
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14689827
International Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell said many Libyans were in need of help and the situation in Libya's capital, Tripoli, was "incredibly difficult" for humanitarian agencies.
Critical areas
"But organisations such as the ICRC are doing extraordinary work in dangerous and difficult circumstances to get supplies and doctors through to those in need," he said.
"This new funding from our development budget will help them to continue their vital work in critical areas across Libya."
http://www.nato.int/nato_static/assets/pdf/pdf_2011_08/20110827_110827-oup-update.pdf
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Total of Humanitarian Movements**:848(air, ground, maritime)
Ships delivering Humanitarian Assistance 26 AUGUST:3
Aircrafts delivering Humanitarian Assistance 26 AUGUST: 5
There are roadblocks every few hundred yards, where young men clutch AK-47s and photocopies of registration numbers from cars used in sniper attacks. Drivers must slalom round piles of sand and burned-out vehicles.
ReplyDeleteRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2030931/Libya-Inside-Gaddafis-torture-chamber-The-bloodstained-cells-inside-primary-school-used-brutalise-enemies.html#ixzz1zC8qXSmt
Incredibly, a network of secret hospitals has been established in people’s homes rather than risk ferrying injured people several miles across town.
I visited one where 35 medical staff were operating out of five rooms in a house. They had moved three times in a week.
One doctor I spoke to was Samer Ammar Khiel, a 22-year-old medical student just four months into his hospital training. ‘It is an amazing challenge,’ he said. ‘But we must all help our people.’
These units demonstrate the way communities have closed ranks against Gaddafi’s forces, even sharing fuel and food as the sweltering city is plagued by power cuts and shortages.
By the port, the roadblocks are manned by fishermen and, in the souk, by traders.
Even in the city’s richest area, once home to some of Gaddafi’s children, residents have drawn up registers of guard duty.
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Janis Mackey Freyer of CTV (Canada)visited, report Aug 27 , click on video CTV National News: Janis Mackey Frayer reports on the side bar.
ReplyDeleteTripoli hospital turned into 'mass morgue':
It is unclear how the men, women and children died. The bodies we saw were those of Gadhafi loyalists who were wounded in battle. A poster of Moammar Gadhafi presided over a room slick with blood, water and maggots.
At least two men were shot in their beds. They were on the second floor covered with blankets. As the gurneys were wheeled away you could see where a bullet had passed through the pillow. The blood on the wall hinted at an execution. One of the bodies had a Libyan military card identifying him as a special forces member.
Nobody there claimed to know whether it was Gadhafi or rebel gunmen who executed them. I asked one doctor to give his opinion on how long the two men had been dead. He estimated two or three days, then shook his head and walked down the blood-streaked corridor.
Interesting critique here from Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi (relation?) of Brasenose College, Oxford UK. Libya Burning, American Spectator, Sept 8 2011.
ReplyDeleteSimilarly, the BBC recently showed a video of hundreds of bodies found in the Abu Salim hospital in Tripoli, but failed to mention, either through genuine neglect or a deliberate intention to mislead, that most of the corpses were those of black people, who had obviously been killed by anti-Gaddafi forces when the city was taken.
ReplyDeletehadeelalsh Hadeel Al-Shalchi
Went to visit the Abu Salim hospital today in #Tripoli. Was a horrifying & eery building with no doctors or nurses..just rotting dead bodies
8:45 AM Aug 26th, 2011
GavinLeeBBC Gavin Lee
One doctor at the Abu Salim hospital says many of 200 bodies discovered had been left for 5 days 'untouched and uncared for' #Libya #Tripoli
6:26 PM Aug 26th, 2011