A report I had missed before:
Report of the Independent Civil Society Fact-FindingMission to Libya, January 2012. Credited: Palestinian Centre for Human Rights, Arab Organization for Human Rights, International Legal Assistance Consortium.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/78822880/Report-of-the-Independent-Civil-Society-Fact-Finding-Mission-to-Libya
Section link: Mass-Killings-Yarmouk-Detention-Centre
Page 34.
5.1.7.2. Mass Killings: Yarmouk Detention Centre.
132. The Mission received a number of credible first-hand witness reports regarding anapparent mass killing at Yarmouk Detention Centre to the South of Tripoli, on 23August 2011. The Detention Centre was reportedly operated by the Khamis Brigade.
According to information received, approximately 150-160 individuals were detainedtogether in a large room at the Detention Centre. At approximately 9 am on 23 Augustthey were told they would be released that day. However, a number of witnessesreported receiving this news with a ‘bad feeling’, as they had not yet beeninterrogated. The subsequent arrival of 3 new detainees at noon appears to haveconfirmed these fears.
Shortly after sunset, a number of guards entered the room and ordered all former members of the military to leave with them. Approximately 17-20 detainees were taken from the room; soon after, those remaining heard a number of shots, which they took to mark their execution. Guards then opened the door to the large room and opened fire with light machine guns, while a number of hand grenades were also thrown into the room. This procedure was repeated a number of times, apparently until the guards ran out of ammunition. At this point a number of survivors attempted to flee, but were shot as they left the room.
Witnesses estimated the dead at approximately 100. The Mission was unable to verify this number, but did receive a list noting the death of 30 individuals from Zliten alone in this incident.
136. Similar mass killings perpetrated around the time that opposition forces seized control of Tripoli have been reported by Human Rights Watch.
137. The Mission believes that these allegations warrant further investigation.
Once again an example of "activist say" type of reporting. They have simple gone to Libya to record the lies and rumors and published them in their "findings". Any witnesses sound "credible" when they repeat an official version of events. No effort was made to question or refute the allegations. They do not need to – they are part of Team-HR!
ReplyDeleteanother missed report :
ReplyDeleteGaddafis son kills 150 detainees just to blame on Islamists
http://www.islamist.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11&group=
That is a bizarre thing to say, and I note they gave no examples or illustrations atall. In fact, it was an Islamist crime and the media (and the "Human Rights groups, as Petri points out) went to great pains to help cover it up, despite some touchy rebels fearing they'd be blamed (see Saad Basir, Warscapes). Defensive.
DeleteThey also used the wrong video, of soldiers killed, again by Islamists, back in February. Are they an Islamist parody site or what?
I've no idea , but when a muslim want to show the other side , he gets a big warning of an admin. :
ReplyDeletehttp://forums.islamicawakening.com/f18/libya-the-other-side-of-the-story-50410/
Libya: The Other Side of the Story
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You're just a glutton for misinformation Umais.
Just a fair warning, and others already know I'm serious about this- I am neg repping people for posting propaganda and misinformation from now on.
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This is a critical claim: "Shortly after sunset, a number of guards entered the room and ordered all former members of the military to leave with them. Approximately 17-20 detainees were taken from the room; soon after, those remaining heard a number of shots, which they took to mark their execution."
ReplyDeleteObservation #1: It’s my memory that at least one of the corpses outside the shed showed signs of having been tortured. Do I remember correctly? If so, that detail (tortured corpse with eyes plucked out—is my memory correct?) undermines the narrative from the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights. If my memory is correct and if the PCHR is correct, the killers dawdled to torture a man outside the shed before killing victims inside the shed. While this behavior is theoretically possible, it’s not plausible. Or even less likely, anti-Qaddafi forces defiled the corpse after the Jamahiriya soldiers had killed him.
#2: If eyes were plucked out, isn’t this a sign of a religious-extremist or racist killing?
#3: If the PCHR narrative is correct, and if most of the victims outside the shed are black, black soldiers were perceived as disloyal to Colonel Qaddafi. Of course, this is possible, but the more likely interpretation is that racist anti-Qaddafi forces killed the black soldiers.
The black soldiers are massacred ten days or so after the racist sacking of Tawergha, a largely black town of 10,000 to 35,000 (accounts vary regarding the population). Even the MSM acknowledges that ethnic/racial cleansing occurred in Tawergha. Moreover, groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have documented the terrorism directed toward blacks in Libya. Some/many of the regime-change forces were racist; we also know that Qaddafi was popular with blacks. Hence we should be reluctant to ascribe the killing of blacks to Jamahiriya forces.
There’s a strange narrative from Walter Fauntroy, an American ex-Congressman who worked with Martin Luther King. According to Fauntroy, who spent months in Libya, Danish and French Special Forces were beheading Libyans in small towns to terrorize people into accepting regime change. Fauntroy claimed that 90 percent of Libyans supported Qaddafi. Obviously, Qaddafi did not enjoy that kind of support—at least not among all Libyans. However, is it possible that Fauntroy, who is black, mainly interacted with black Libyans, and Qaddafi enjoyed huge support from black Libyans? In the United States, the Democratic presidential candidate typically garners about 90% of the African-American vote that turns out. If Qaddafi enjoyed extremely high support among Libyan blacks, it’s less likely that black soldiers would have been disloyal or perceived as disloyal.
#4: Is a suspiciously high percentage of murdered, allegedly “pro-revolution” Jamahiriya soldiers black?
#5: “Shortly after sunset”: do alleged eyewitness narratives consistently agree on this detail? It’s my questionable memory that they don’t.
#6: “those remaining heard a number of shots”: Have previous narratives consistently included this information? Candidly, I don’t recall this detail (though I’ve read so much I could be misremembering). If many/most narratives from witnesses don’t include the detail regarding soldiers taken from the shed and shot, then the PCHR’s credibility is seriously compromised.
#7: To some extent, barbarism on both sides must have happened, but it’s no small matter to determine what extent on each side. Did Jamahiriya soldiers commit murders before fleeing or did regime-change forces commit massacres as they conquered? I suggest this commonsense rule: professional soldiers are less likely to engage in atrocities, while religious fanatics and virulent racists are more likely to commit atrocities. Which side had more professional soldiers? Which side had more religious fanatics and virulent racists?
The commonsense is that the regime-change forces committed more of the atrocities.
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#1: (Details, needs updating) eyes gouged (mentioned by a reporter, and in the FGM video), face smashed in, tied upside down and ??, one not added, hand cut off and mutilated limbs. No beheadings, except maybe among the 8 we haven't seen or had well described (UNHRC says 20 total) or among the burned. #1 and 16 seem that way to me. All pretty much unnoticed.
#2 same, yeah. They have this invented religion of evil for their villains, so it kinda works out
#3 They don't mention the color of the dead is all, and neither doe hardly anyone else. A few have dared to say black, even more say blackened with decay. Seriously. It's so stupid.
#4 From what we see, in each massacre, yes. Something like 65% (guess)getting lighter as the battles get bigger, darker in times of leisure for rebel forces.
#5 Sunset is consistent, one of the most consistent point, enough so that I consider it quite suspect. Almost everyone agrees, and it'sgot a touch of poetry I don't trust.
#6: Ali Hamouda describes something like this. Others might hint at it, but not that I noticed. Munir el Goula directly contradicts it -he has about 20 soldiers from outside pushed in by African mercenaries at the outset and killed with the rest inside the "jail."
#7 Guess the writers don't know about basic concepts like that. They're just floating on whatever breeze the rebel hot air happens to create.
We were among them and the numbers of Qataris on ground were hundreds in every region,” Major General Hamad bin Ali al-Attiya, the Qatari chief of staff, said on Wednesday.
ReplyDeletehttp://feraljundi.com/2536/industry-talk-secopex-ceo-pierre-marziali-killed-in-libya/
the west is now using it’s own version of ‘mercenaries’ or PSC’s in Libya to do their bidding. There was great outrage in the beginning of this conflict by the west/media that Ghaddafi would actually contract with private forces, and yet here is the west doing the same thing. It is a killing that reflects the hypocrisy.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20470:ninety-british-soldiers-involved-in-libya-operations-on-the-ground&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105
Ninety British soldiers involved in Libya operations on the ground
Sep 12, 2011/US SERVICE MEMBERS
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Guess who is leading ntc troops NOWADAYS
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Guess who he saw doing the killing
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up29U9qRwdg&feature=relmfu
see knive @ 1.49
HRW could easily define which party has caused all the deads :
DeletePLASTIC HANDCUFFS
don't decompose : Plastic Bags : 20-1000 years
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=o-RkAx5cVdE
PLASTIC HANDCUFFS @ 0.31 , pistol @ 1.43
Prisoners Ktaib Alqirdafa , Part II
A military source said Libya had Thursday unveiled a new mass grave in a private farm owned by former Libyan intelligence chief in the system of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi with 30 bodies of missing Libyans
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/08/25/163926.html
30 bodies at a farm :
A rebel spokesman said in comments broadcast on Al Arabiya that Libyan rebels fought a fierce battle with Qaddafi’s top military commander at his farm in Tripoli on Wednesday.
found the largest number of bodies in the area Tajoura about 700 bodies and the bodies were HANDCUFFED from behind with fractures in the skull
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He indicated that several of the bodies might belong to soldiers loyal to the late Libyan leader.
The television channel said the bodies located in the gap have not yet been identified by forensic agencies Libyans and said they could have another 700 bodies in one grave would raise the death toll to 900.
This new finding adds other clandestine graves have been discovered since last September, in Tripoli and Beni Walid, among other towns, said Wednesday the international press.
Arab states are complicit, in propaganda and in mercenaries, in this splendid little war of deception with such insane and evil fallout. Time for a lot of regime changes all over, in a perfect world.
DeleteMr. Fauntelroy... I don't know much about his credibility, but if he's all there is for the CIA's doing the beheading to get the rebels blamed, not going for it. There's a possible logic, but man, what perfect patsies in all other regards.
Plastic handcuffs: To be fair, both sides can use them. But point taken, it's done all the time in rebel field operations, taking in masses of new people, and far less in gov't run prison camps where people are already subdued. To the extent plastic handcuffs are present (sometimes they're cut off after execution, but leave marks), it suggests the moving party. The ones who just conquered, not the one who "fled" to nowhere in particular.
Tajoura mass graves - all 700 handcuffed? Many, I'm sure. It's semi-standard for executions. But these mass graves usually include all kinds of combat dead as well. They take every corpse they can get. To justify themselves, they need the biggest pile possible, and all blamed on the villain.
PLASTIC handcuffed
DeleteChecking old vids I see prisoners the army have taken are mostly tied with rope.
This maybe the reason that the feet of the green -blanket -outside - the shed- victim is tied with green rope.
They know plastic cuffs is their sign
About channel change I was wondering : the Khodr green martyr sqare till the james bays 17 bodies hospital visit, after which he couldn't make it till a second massacre .
Then the story is taken over by the ramsay sky man , from the shed till tarhouna 29 aug , where Khamees is supposed to have been killed.
Why this informant change ???
The Cairo-based Arab Organization for Human Rights has decried the use of violence against the protestors in Libya and called for an international investigation.
ReplyDeleteThe Vienna-based Friends of Humanity said the Libyan regime's onslaught was tantamount to "war crimes".
http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2011/02/libya-libya-libya-and-dictator.html
Monday, 21 February, 2011/Posted by Noor al Haqiqa/
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Jalil and PHR :
ReplyDeleteThe authors point out that Jalil played an important role in the “Bulgarian nurses affair,” so called for five Bulgarian nurses who, along with a Palestinian doctor, were charged with deliberately infecting hundreds of children with AIDS in a hospital in Benghazi. As chair of the Appeals Court in Tripoli, Jalil twice upheld the death penalty for the nurses. In 2007, the nurses and the Palestinian doctor were released by the Libyan government following negotiations in which French president Nicolas Sarkozy's then wife, Cecilia, played a highly publicized role.
http://www.aina.org/news/2011062312926.htm
problems within the health infrastructure, which PHR has emphasized occur in many countries (see PHR's report: HIV Transmission in Health Care Settings.)"
the role jalil played in the Abu Saleem Prison case is murky :
http://www.algeria-isp.com/public/libye(16).jpg
This document proves that Moustapha Abdeljalil, has accelerated the execution of death row prisoners in the prison of Abu Slim People. While the rebels thought it was the Libyan leader who did this.
http://www.algeria-isp.com/actualites/politique-libye/201110-A6643/libye-est-cnt-moustapha-abdeljalil-qui-accelere-execution-des-prisonniers-condamnes-morts-abou-slim-octobre-2011.html
thanks!!!
DeleteI`ve missed that point here in discussions and wondered, why it dont come on the table...
It's a fact finding blog , and my feeling is that I already bother them with many not to the point links
Deleteyes, my problem too : not to "bother them with ..." ! ;-)
Deletebut taking the fact, that Jalil was in Benghasi, while "black mercenaries" where murdered/killed/tortured to death near his "residence". He himselfe gave this information , that he was there, near by ... He would get in heavy trouble together with the informations in your links...?
photos and videos about the killings are listed here, I thought?
perhaps it`s necessary to "demonize" (important role in the “Bulgarian nurses affair) a little bit too, to get him/her for "war crimes"... And getting Jalil could mean: getting Jibril, getting perhaps Belhaj (with spains ex-premier Asnar: he was accused to manage the train bombings in Madrid 2004 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings )...
it is painful, using the same strategy like the mainstream-media and the politics, but if there are facts found and needed to publicate/ become relevant , this preparatory work (like the looking for/in a history of a doctor, who now leads the "missing people finding...") is important I think...
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yes, my problem too : not to "bother them with ..." ! ;-)
Deletebut taking the fact, that Jalil was in Benghasi, while "black mercenaries" where murdered/killed/tortured to death near his "residence". He himselfe gave this information , that he was there, near by ... He would get in heavy trouble together with the informations in your links...?
photos and videos about the killings are listed here, I thought?
perhaps it`s necessary to "demonize" (important role in the “Bulgarian nurses affair) a little bit too, to get him/her for "war crimes"... And getting Jalil could mean: getting Jibril, getting perhaps Belhaj (with spains ex-premier Asnar: he was accused to manage the train bombings in Madrid 2004 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings )...
it is painful, using the same strategy like the mainstream-media and the politics, but if there are facts found and needed to publicate/ become relevant , this preparatory work (like the looking for/in a history of a doctor, who now leads the "missing people finding...") is important I think...
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That's worthy of a post, isn't it? I'll make a physical not,on paper here,to do that soon. :)
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DeleteCarry on, NATO! says Abdel Jalil in Doha
einakhodrAljaz Zeina Khodr
Mustafa #AbdelJalil said Libyan fighters who took on forces loyal to #Gaddafi will be represented in the #NTC, #Libya
http://themoornextdoor.wordpress.com/2011/12/01/lacher-on-the-social-bases-of-activity-in-the-libyan-revolution/
an elitist political leadership established itself at the top of a hitherto uncoordinated movement.
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1941396&p=36685112
Libyan NTC threatens force against it's own people
http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=630012?rss
ReplyDeleteInternational and Tunisian lawyers, jurists, European royalty and nobility, human rights advocates and pro-democracy activists gathered for a peaceful international conference to examine the situation of the Libyan people under the authority of militias and armed gangs.
The conference, which was to take place on 10 March at the Diplomat Hotel in Tunis, where a hall was booked and paid for, was barred from its participants entering the original venue and had to relocate to another venue in the Tunisian capital city.
At the second hotel, the international Mathaba News Agency broadcast live sound and images to the world of the various international and national delegates who gave testimony to the crimes being committed in neighbouring Libya, for around 8 hours.
During the 8th hour, while questions were coming in from around the world which were to be answered by the panel, the Tunisian New World Order regime thugs entered the conference hall and ejected the peaceful lawyers and advocates from the hotel.
An interesting organisation :
ReplyDeletethe International Coalition Against War Criminals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuj3nqufalc&feature=player_embedded
criminals means the legal goverment of the country and the attacking people are the victims
http://renjie.posterous.com/the-international-coalition-against-war-crimi
http://adailyriot.tumblr.com/post/3426213365/international-coalition-against-war-criminals-reports
http://www.aljazeera.com/category/organisation/international-coalition-against-war-criminals-icawc
22 Feb 2011 – It counts 57 dead so far, almost all without photographs, some of them unknown. 9:34 am The International Coalition Against War Criminals, .
7.29pm: Analyst Ashur Shamis
tells Al Jazeera: "There is no doubt Gaddafi will follow through on his threats against the people of Libya." Looking over the past 24hours of our Live Blog updates, we've had some incredibly violent reports already.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2011/02/22/live-blog-libya-feb-22
Political analyst and writer Ashur Shamis;
Other participants at the 1994 conferences included:
Executive Secretary Abdul Majid Buik of the National Front for the Salvation of Libya (NFSL); Former Prime Minister Abdoulhamid Al-Backoush; Omar Fathaly, formerly Director of Strategic Studies at Tripoli’s Arab Development Institute; Ezzedin Ghadamsi, a veteran trade union activist and diplomat; Political analyst and writer Ashur Shamis; Islamist scholar Aly R. Abuzaakouk; Shaha Aliriza, senior program officer, Middle East, National Endowment for Democracy; Tarik Al-Magariaf, Harvard-educated economist and son of NFSL leader Mohamed Al-Magaria; Economist Misbah Oreibi; Management consultant Mahmoud Dakhil.[6]
Tarhouni has served as the Political Coordinator of the National Conference of the Libyan Opposition (NCL) in Seattle, Washington. The NCLO is a coalition of seven groups founded in London in 2005,[12] and centers on the National Front for the Salvation of Libya whose Executive Secretary Abdul Majid Buik was present at the 1994 conference with Tarhouni.
http://alexandravaliente.wordpress.com/2011/02/26/the-globalists-plot-post-gaddafi-libya/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3GDe6uRUF8&feature=related
DeleteMassacre by Gaddafi in Libya - Mass Burial in Tripoli - 519 died, 3,980 wounded 1,500 missing.
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The International Coalition Against War Criminals: 519 dead, 3,980 injured, over 1,500 missing in #Libya
http://renjie.posterous.com/the-international-coalition-against-war-crimi
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