February 27, 2023
(rough, incomplete)
edits 2/28
What's the media hiding? on Twitter is among the many passing around a shocking video filmed by someone's drone over Donetsk on February 23 ...and Elena Evdokimova on Telegram: "Shameless criminals of the Ukrainian army have published a video of how they attacked an ambulance and employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations in Donetsk. ... As a result of the shelling, four ambulance workers were killed, and ten rescuers received explosive injuries. [The attackers] didn't hit randomly; they carefully planned and targeted the innocent civilians of Donetsk and then shamelessly published videos."
The video comes with electronic music, saying "run" (in English) just before the blast starts an aggressive beat - it seems to be celebratory, like this shows bad guys being killed. But it's firefighters that run for cover, as 4 at the ambulance were killed. See below for questions about the source.
https://t.me/Elena_Evdokimova_Digest/3564
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https://twitter.com/Alisa_Vasilisa_/status/1628856015889235975
Girls - ambulance workers who died today as a result of a terrorist shelling of the Petrovsky district of Donetsk.
One is 25 years old, the other is 29 years old... Live and live... And the world is silent!
Girls, our angels, the Kingdom of Heaven and eternal rest!
https://t.me/militarydonetsk/70340
14.30 - Another clarification from local residents of the Petrovsky district: three ambulance workers were killed. 1 paramedic injured, in hospital. The woman who died in the hospital was not an ambulance officer, but wounded from the scene of the attack, where the ambulance team arrived. She left four children ...
This clarification could itself be mistaken, but quite likely, all these other sources reflect this confusion.
BSMP brigade p / s 5 ... Daria, Marina, Evgeny, Alexander
https://t.me/donbassr/34861?single
(https://t.me/donbassr/34793) An orderly, a driver and two paramedics from this ambulance brigade were killed by a repeated strike by Ukrainian artillery in the Petrovsky district when they arrived to help the wounded
https://t.me/donbassr/34861
video:
https://t.me/militarydonetsk/70369
https://twitter.com/DailyWorld24/status/1628820268998180865
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A serious tragedy unfolded as a result of the shelling of the Petrovsky district: the rescue services that arrived at the scene tried to provide assistance and evacuate the wounded, at that moment they were hit by a MLRS. 3 ambulance workers died on the spot, another died in the hospital, 10 employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations received injuries of varying severity. The number of civilian casualties is being specified.
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Questions About Attack Video Origin
Who filmed this? The original channel is unclear. Is that a Ukrainian drone filming their own terrorism, or something the Russians documented? The on-screen labels seem to include some English, however, and some added labels from another source. Someone who knows more could say from this display whose drone this probably is.
I asked Elena: "If Ukraine filmed & posted it, would like to know where, and it's sick - they're bragging about it. Also makes sense Russia filmed it, as they watch for double-tap strikes. You'd just monitor the responses until you catch them in the act, then you might post it like this, like they're bragging, to heighten the sense of anger."
Reply: "Adam, first mentioning of that drone video on TG I found so far ( search in TG is not good ) on this pro-Russian channel: https://t.me/oplottv/44355 "ow I hate these creatures... I hate them! A video from an enemy UAV is circulating in dill publics - how they hit an ambulance in the Petrovsky district of Donetsk on February 23, 2023. The hit was not accidental! Creatures, fascists! No-on-view!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
The Ukrainian video posted in this message, was published by a Ukrainian on TikTok, with music effects 😡 (there was no link provided, I found the video by the TikTok channel name)
https://www.tiktok.com/@ya_diman/video/7204198782337142022
With "original sound effects"
But its not the first time the same Ukrainian user published this video. He published it before, "but TikTok deleted it", as he explained it in the comments to another video:
https://www.tiktok.com/@ya_diman/video/7203811786707963141
Adding: Ya_Diman previously posted nonsense - scenes from video games, looks like. For this sudden bit of mysterious, relevant content, he cites a Telegram posting (not linked or specified) as his source. There is a watermark: Telegram channel Ху@вый Киев - I found no such channel. Elena looked ...https://t.me/ChatToElenaEvdokimovaDigest/2577 - also found nothing like that, but swapping e in for the @ yields Хуевый Киев - "fucking Kiev" - a few pro-Kiev channels have such a name, with the same video stamp coming up with this one: https://t.me/XYKYIV18. But there's no such video in their feed now.
Elena adds "A few hours after Ukrainians, as usual, accused Russian in shelling their own."
https://t.me/supernova_plus/17865: "Petrovsky district of Donetsk .. Ukraine ... cynical self-shelling from Belgorod ..."
Some NAFO-type accounts asked Why a Russian drone came by to film the crime just then, suggesting they were in on it. As I propose, maybe it was assessing the damage from the earlier strike, or maybe it's a thing they do to try and catch double-tap attacks in the act. And considering the source ambiguity, it might be Russian-filmed. But the most original sources seem to be pro-Kiev ones.
So people would then ask why would Ukraine film this and post it openly? That's something I can't give an exact answer for, but I can see them doing this to terrorize the people of Donetsk, signaling that they can do it with impunity and even boast about it. This makes more sense if they add some deniability, some source confusion, allowing people to conclude the Russians are again doing this to their own. And it seems that's what happened. So it seems more likely to me this is a cynical Ukrainian boast, but both options seem likely enough. I suppose a relevant question now would be: who it this Ya Diman person.
Analysis
Elena adds: "The buildings belong to a transport company Spetstrans , for Ukrainians it were the 'legitimate', from their point of view, target." https://yandex.ru/maps/org/ooo_fk_spetstrans/8773185089/?ll=37.638476%2C47.937302&z=16 - it seems to be a Russian-based waste management and recycling company.
Solar azimuth - almost parallel with the damaged building, or just past 165 degrees, up to maybe 170 = after 10:55 am to maybe 11:15 am (noaa.gov), or about 11 AM, Unless that's an hour off (what's DPR policy on DST?). That should be the 3 rocket second attack reported by the JCCC at 12:00 local time:
Ukraine-supporter Serg Dash on Twitter also had the location and some doubts. https://twitter.com/rodomir7771/status/1629781621602672647
"2.I don't see an ambulance on the video"
He takes the obvious candidate for an ambulance-like van, due to missing or invisible details. I see the lights. The red stripe on the other side is less clear, perhaps missing, and other details may just be washed out in the glare, but this is probably it. Clicke69 adds the skylight match.
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The location matches: damaged ambulance at a corner much like the one that van was hit at. This is almost surely the same vehicle. Note also the frag marks angling up the side of the ambulance, higher yet on the wall ahead, or to the southeast. Back doors damaged when closed, as the video has them, hit from inside by frags that punched through. Anyone inside would be almost certain to suffer massive and likely fatal injuries.
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"3.Judging by the map of hostilities, to the territory of which the 🇺🇦 Army is controlled, there are 11-12 km. Any cannon artillery shoots at 20-40 km."
I asked why that far and not further? No answer.
Angle of fire - there's a direction the fireball rolls before the wind fully takes over - basically right-to-left - includes some wind, which angles up and to the left (in view = to the south on the map) - original direction a bit DOWN and to the left, about 45 degrees across the building at right = from the northwest, like usual. Higher frag marks to the southeast indicates the same. Distance to launcher is totally unclear to me - maybe a relatively short range, from the limited fireball roll. But "relative" varies greatly from one weapon to the next.. Adam Larson on Twitter
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The place was geolocated and he had 2 starting questions., but my points raised a few more questions from Serg.
https://twitter.com/rodomir7771/status/1629947076011343873
The cost of one shot from [HIMARS] (simple misle up to 70 km) - $150,000. They`re used to destroy large accumulations of military equipment, ammunition or fuel depots, bridges, etc. which`re at a distance inaccessible to cannon artillery.
https://twitter.com/rodomir7771/status/1629948391009538048
It is simply pointless to use such a missile to strike a yard with a van, located 10-15 km from the front line, where simple cannon artillery reaches. Well, except that Putin himself would have been sitting in the van.
https://twitter.com/CL4Syr/status/1629950059625480192
Could be the HIMARS claim was incorrect & tacked on, but whatever it was came from the northwest, range unclear to me, & it sowed some terror. Intended use and cost don't necessarily matter for Kyiv's unaccountable extremist units, so maybe it was HIMARS.
Reports
all times as shown here - add 10 or 11 hours for local time
2/23 1:59 am https://t.me/militarydonetsk/70305
JCCC: 12:00 - n.p. Kurakhovo - Donetsk (Petrovsky district): 3 rockets were fired from the MLRS.
A later report would say https://t.me/militarydonetsk/70512 "35 shells were fired [by] the Armed Forces of Ukraine (https://t.me/readovkanews/53380) in the Petrovsky district - the ambulance officers who were going to help the injured civilians were killed, and 10 rescuers were injured, (https://t.me/ readovkanews/53400) who also went to the challenges."
2:40 am https://t.me/militarydonetsk/70325
Donetsk (Petrovsky district): - on the street. Petrovsky, 198/2, a man born in 1957 suffered.
Damaged, Petrovsky district: st. Bagritskogo, 2, 4, 6, 8 - private residential buildings.
ясли сад но. 107, донецк сити, донецк область, украине - Google Maps
2/23 2:45 2:45 https://t.me/militarydonetsk/70326
As a result of the shelling of the Petrovsky district this afternoon, a man born in 1957 was injured. The victim was hospitalized in city hospital No. 14.
2:45 am https://t.me/kulemzin_donetsk/14010
As a result of enemy shelling of the Petrovsky district, 4 houses of the private sector were damaged. In houses, roofs and walls were cut with shrapnel, glazing of windows was broken.
possibly that scene, with a big crater just west of these homes: https://t.me/militarydonetsk/70337
Note Yandex map labels (used here) differ from those on Google Maps
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2:49 am https://t.me/militarydonetsk/70328
13:48 - Petrovsky district - it is also reported that there were dead among the ambulance brigade
2:54 - photos: https://t.me/militarydonetsk/70330
Consequences of shelling of Petrovsky district of Donetsk by Ukrainian militants. Includes photo at right. Paveway IV says this is "220mm 9M27K cargo rocket configured to dispense 30 × 9N210 submunitions. These are fired from a BM-27 Uragan." https://twitter.com/PavewayIV/status/1630418737105960960
3:06 am https://t.me/militarydonetsk/70334
On Defender of the Fatherland Day, Ukrainian nationalists shelled the center of Donetsk
The militants of the VFU continue to terrorize the civilian population of the republic. As a result of shelling with the use of NATO-style MLRS, the glazing of the Donetsk College of Music, as well as nearby residential buildings and shops, was damaged. Also, one of the shells damaged the heating system. Luckily, there were no casualties.
3:13 am https://t.me/militarydonetsk/70335
11:20 - n.p. Maksimilyanovka - Donetsk (Petrovsky district): 20 rockets were fired from the MLRS.
3:21 https://t.me/militarydonetsk/70338
14.18 — It is reported that in the Petrovsky district of Donetsk, an ambulance brigade was called to the scene of shelling and came under new shelling. According to preliminary information, not the entire team died - the paramedic was taken to a medical institution in the city. But she died from her injuries. Also, according to unconfirmed reports, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, who were at the site of the shelling, also suffered. The information is being specified.
3:33 https://t.me/militarydonetsk/70340
14.30 - Another clarification from local residents of the Petrovsky district: three ambulance workers were killed. 1 paramedic injured, in hospital. The woman who died in the hospital was not an ambulance officer, but wounded from the scene of the attack, where the ambulance team arrived. She left four children ... ((
4:18 am https://t.me/militarydonetsk/70342
As a result of the shelling of the Petrovsky district on the street. Magdeburg woman died. Her personal details are being established.
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2/23 4:25 am https://t.me/readovkanews/53380
In the Petrovsky district of Donetsk, civilians and doctors were killed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine - 35 shells were released around the city
In the Petrovsky district of Mirny Donetsk, which in the morning the Ukrainian militants fired at, ambulances were killed, who were traveling to help the affected civilians. In addition, 10 rescuers were injured, who also went to calls to the local population.
It is reported that one of the dead doctors had four children. Some residential buildings also received (https://t.me/readovkanews/53375) damage. In total, 35 shells were released around the city, some of which managed to knock down. Now at the place of arrivals you can see huge funnels, some of which reach five meters in diameter.
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2/23 4:29 am https://t.me/chp_donetskv/44386
Today, as a result of the shelling of the Petrovsky district of Donetsk, 3 members of the ambulance brigade involved in the evacuation of the wounded were killed: a paramedic, an orderly and a driver.
I express my condolences to the families and friends of the victims.
Also, in the performance of her duties, the paramedic of the brigade suffered, for whose life the doctors of the Republican Traumatological Center are fighting.
4:37 am https://t.me/kulemzin_donetsk/14014 Photo: Funnel in the microdistrict Petrovsky Machine-Building Plant.
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