tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post5829813439166246935..comments2024-03-18T22:03:28.458-07:00Comments on Monitor on Massacre Marketing: Attacks on Apartment Blocks and a Russian Supply Column in Borodyanka Caustic Logichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-47067814490116422932022-04-08T20:21:36.397-07:002022-04-08T20:21:36.397-07:00A fresh drone video from Borodyanka:
https://twit...A fresh drone video from Borodyanka:<br /><br /><a href="https://twitter.com/antiwar_soldier/status/1512577599876341763" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/antiwar_soldier/status/1512577599876341763</a>Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-26285999616153583602022-03-22T17:11:41.658-07:002022-03-22T17:11:41.658-07:00Interesting, thanks.Interesting, thanks.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-22267838866710679872022-03-21T21:57:19.974-07:002022-03-21T21:57:19.974-07:00Here is one version of events, machine translated ...Here is one version of events, machine translated from Russian. But unfortunately this does not explain who fired at the buildings and from where. The article says "GRADs", but the remains on the site are from the larger and longer-range Smerch or Uragan rocket systems.<br /><br />***<br /><br /><a href="https://telegra.ph/Tragediya-Borodyanki-03-21" rel="nofollow"><b>The tragedy of Borodyanka</b></a> - <i>Kievan Rus</i>, March 21, 2022<br /><br /><i>Photo: The actions of the city's territorial defense led to the death of dozens of civilians under the rubble in the basements of multi-storey buildings</i><br /><br />The defense of Borodyanka from Russian troops was entrusted to the head of the local city council, a businessman and hardened supporter of Poroshenko, Georgy Yerko. But the governor misunderstood the task and, contrary to common sense, decided not to defend the city itself, which did not interfere with the advance of advanced columns of Russian armored vehicles, but the approaches to Kiev on the Korosten-Irpin highway.<br /><br />To do this, Yerko, together with the head of the local district military registration and enlistment office, decided to block the way for the Russian troops with old tires and wooden pallets, and to throw bottles with Molotov cocktails at them from the surrounding buildings and shoot from antique unshooted Kalash. It is not known whether they seriously hoped to stop the advance of the tank column with such a flank attack, but they managed to draw it into battle on the streets of their native city. The result turned out to be sad - unlike Ivankov, Polessky and other district centers of the Kiev region, Borodyanka took on the brunt of street fighting. The city center was destroyed.<br /><br />The most terrible thing happened in the area of urban high-rise buildings. When it became clear that the night battle was approaching the skyscrapers, the Nazis from the Monolit sports club and the local federation of ultimate fighting, which, by the way, were led by the mayor’s son Roman, “persuaded” the residents of panel houses to go down to the basements for safety reasons, and they themselves arranged their apartments and on the roofs of houses firing points. Not only machine guns were used, but also grenade launchers with mortars, ammunition depots were set up in the entrances, and someone the smartest (most likely the head of the police department) reported to the regional headquarters of the defense that the Muscovite tanks had fallen into a trap and they could be destroyed by fire artillery. And in the center of the city, “grads” began to work.<br /><br />Most of the missiles, like many in the Ukrainian army, turned out to be defective and did not explode. They still lie on city streets. But the two explosions probably detonated the arsenals on the first floors, causing entire driveways to collapse like houses of cards, dooming the people in the basements to death under the rubble.<br /><br />Russian troops withdrew from the city. When morning came, cries for help were heard from under the ruins. According to Nikolai Ganin, a resident of Borodyanka, up to a hundred people could be in the cellars. However, instead of urgent measures to save people, the defense, together with the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that approached, decided to engage in sniper shootouts with looters, using the roofs of the surviving houses for this and not letting rescuers, firefighters and volunteers into the ruins. The time when it was still not too late to organize the rescue of blocked people, to call construction equipment and professional rescuers, was mercilessly missed.<br /><br />Residents left the unviable city, where there was no water, no gas, no electricity. Among the first to leave Borodyanka was the leader of the territorial defense, Georgy Yerko. When, a week later, units of the National Guard entered the deserted city to stop looting and restore order in the rear, pensioners from nearby private houses told the Russian military a terrible story about people buried alive. But from under the rubble, no one called for help.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-14785785391861064552022-03-13T22:34:17.117-07:002022-03-13T22:34:17.117-07:00That may be less than 1/2 km, but most things betw...That may be less than 1/2 km, but most things between are not destroyed at all. 3-4 craters at the trucks/tank, shrapnel etc. at each spot, looking like mortar shells or small rockets, and 1/2 km or so of intact buildings to the SW, that huge damage. If one salvo, it was fired at several spots far apart. And also at different times (2+ targets, 2+ firings probably not a single <br /> salvo anymore): building not hit yet when the column is smoking, after apparent attack from a building near those buildings to the SW. Smerch fire from there would hit the convoy if range allows, but the building would be hit on SW side or front, not the back/Kiev side. Has to be 2+ events.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-32345851946230785972022-03-13T05:01:34.936-07:002022-03-13T05:01:34.936-07:00Each Smerch launcher has 12 rockets. A fully equip...Each Smerch launcher has 12 rockets. A fully equipped Smerch unit has eight launchers — that makes 96 rockets. They are meant to destroy whole tank brigades at once, in one salvo. Everything within half a square kilometer will be destroyed. All the damage we see here can be explained by one salvo from one Smerch launcher.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-43455146983051392272022-03-13T01:42:06.632-08:002022-03-13T01:42:06.632-08:00will check that video report if possible - thanks....will check that video report if possible - thanks. But ... the option doesn't stand well. Many blocks from where the column was, they hit both buildings by accident, and ALSO hit the column where it was - all linked because it seemed convenient at first. Also above (sorry so long) is the convoy just attacked, burning up the street behind that tank, which fired to the camera = attack from about the camera, in town - and the blown-up buildings are visible, not blown up yet. That happened later, and just how is the (or a) mystery. Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-26918183385315388392022-03-12T21:37:52.850-08:002022-03-12T21:37:52.850-08:00Alexander Kots has a new video that explains the w...Alexander Kots has a new video that explains the whole event:<br /><br /><i>Just look how Kyiv "Tornados" (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-30_Smerch" rel="nofollow">BM-30 Smerch</a>) stacks residential areas in abandoned cities, trying to hit Russian columns. I continue to work on the Kiev front.</i><br /><a href="https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/32489" rel="nofollow">https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/32489</a><br /><br />The Smerch has a 90 km range, even longer than the Tochka-U. The difference is that the Tochka has a high-explosive warhead while the Smerch warhead is cluster munitions. I did not think the Smerch would make such damage, but yes, if you fire 20 of them at the side of a building.<br /><br />The KP video shows one submunitions dispenser part of a used warhead just southeast of the collapsed building.<br /><br />What I said above still holds, The Smerch unit was given the coordinates of the target, but they had no way of knowing about the high-rise buildings in the flight path.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-25017011421860446802022-03-12T21:04:26.186-08:002022-03-12T21:04:26.186-08:00Hey! Tochka-U it might be. The convoy is was NE, s...Hey! Tochka-U it might be. The convoy is was NE, seems headed towards the buildings, craters where they were hit there, burning the post office. At these buildings were snipers. Maybe Russia took out their perch, except not the corners they actually used (balconies there already blown out) ... or maybe Ukraine fired from the SE just to wreck the city and make Russia look bad again. There is also a truck in Borodyanka so blown up it might've held missiles when hit - half a missile laying there - can't place it yet. That could blow up one building if that's where it was, but not both. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi53hxg2JV4Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-13640736201786935372022-03-12T10:02:43.168-08:002022-03-12T10:02:43.168-08:00I have been far too busy to pay any attention what...I have been far too busy to pay any attention what is said or claimed in Western media, but saw a 1 minute video of the scene in some British media a week ago. It seemed immediately clear to me what had happened: a Russian convoy was ambushed by Ukrainians, possibly using the new British / Swedish anti-tank missiles. (The drone video also showed the burnt-out trucks.)<br /><br />I do not think that the buildings could collapse from artillery shelling alone. There is only one event (actually two) that could cause such huge destruction. A Russian main battle tank or ammo truck was hit by an anti-tank missile and blew up, taking the building with it.<br /> <br />(There is a precedent: In Donetsk the main road to the airport crosses the railroad line over a huge bridge. The bridge blew up in the winter of 2014-15. The reason: a Ukrainian tank attack on Donetsk. DPR tanks were waiting in ambush under the bridge. On of them got hit, the ammo "cooked" and the whole bridge was gone.)<br /><br />The other possible event that could cause such damage is a direct hit by a Tochka-U ballistic missile. They are usually fired in pairs, so it could explain the two collapsed buildings. Suppose the Russian tank column had stopped behind the buildings. If a Tochka unit some 70 km away was given the street address or exact coordinates on the map, they would not know that the high-rise buildings would block the flight path.<br /><br />Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.com