tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post5359673275184700732..comments2024-03-18T22:03:28.458-07:00Comments on Monitor on Massacre Marketing: The Fall of Az-ZawiyahCaustic Logichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-34033197508884429462012-10-20T04:07:45.796-07:002012-10-20T04:07:45.796-07:00compare the 2 press releases :
BBC staff 'ar...compare the 2 press releases :<br /><br /><br />BBC staff 'arrested and tortured in Libya by Gaddafi forces'<br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/09/bbc-staff-arrest-torture-libya<br /> Peter Beaumont in Tripoli . The Guardian, Wednesday 9 March 2011 21.42 GMT<br /><br /><br />By Richard Spencer, Tripoli ,11:29PM GMT 09 Mar 2011<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8372139/Libya-BBC-crew-beaten-and-given-mock-executions.html<br /><br />Libya: BBC crew beaten and given mock executions<br />hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-86127866274301933932012-10-19T19:46:49.528-07:002012-10-19T19:46:49.528-07:00the kilani story seems to stink a little bit :
...the kilani story seems to stink a little bit :<br /><br /><br />acc to the link the Beaumont/kilani story was originally written @ 8march :<br /><br />Many journalists are now beginning to ask what their role is in this media masquerade (see article by Peter Beaumont:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/08/libya-regime-ill-treats-<br />foreign-journalists/print).<br /><br />http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/pdfid/4d79f9a12.pdf<br />hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-27722859473537399802012-10-19T18:19:30.498-07:002012-10-19T18:19:30.498-07:00February 24th, 2011 /democratic libiyan informatio...February 24th, 2011 /democratic libiyan information bureau,Tripoli,Benghazi,Geneva,Lugano,Milan,Rome,London,Sao Paulo,Doha,Dubai & more:<br /><br /> we send our releases to 1289 individual journalists,including in the United States the Wall street journal,the New York Post & even the Drudge Report<br /><br />*<br />18 oct 2012<br />report #Libya : Drug wars continue in #zawiyah every day dozens of militia men and people die as it became major smuggling zone to Europe hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-53547967944472870492012-10-19T18:17:00.256-07:002012-10-19T18:17:00.256-07:00Bill Neely " We feared we might be detained a... Bill Neely " We feared we might be detained and beaten,<br /><br /> like the BBC team who tried to get into Zawiya earlier in the week. <br /><br /><br />!!!!!<br />They suffered mock executions and a night in a cell amid the screams of tortured detainees before they were eventually freed."<br />!!!!!<br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/10/zawiya-town-itv-regime-battle<br /><br /> Bill Neely / The Guardian, Thursday 10 March 2011 21.08 GMT <br /><br />*<br /><br />Might be kilani !!!!<br /><br />hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-68888126138421537112012-10-19T17:51:19.631-07:002012-10-19T17:51:19.631-07:00March 11, 2011 The old man said the armed insurg...March 11, 2011 The old man said the armed insurgents were not from the city but from outside. <br />"I was not scared for myself, but for my children."<br /><br />Sadia also denied heavy casualties during the fighting. " Several civilians were wounded and sent to the hospital," he said<br /><br />http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90855/7317041.html<br /><br />He also confirmed that the country is receiving a UN humanitarian aid committee next week to review the situation in Libya.<br />--hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-35271829661306154172012-10-19T17:49:46.354-07:002012-10-19T17:49:46.354-07:00Bill Neely reporting for ITV from Zawiyah,10 March...Bill Neely reporting for ITV from Zawiyah,10 March 2011<br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/10/zawiya-town-itv-regime-battle<br /><br /> When I arrived, the first journalist to enter after the fighting ended, the streets were almost deserted for half a mile in every direction beyond the main square. <br /><br />The minaret of the mosque, perhaps once 100 feet high, has been shorn in two, the top now a mess of mangled concrete.<br /><br />Dozens were killed in the battle for Martyrs' Square.<br /> There are now many more "martyrs" buried there. <br />I counted more than 20 new graves<br /><br />Soon there will be no sign of what I saw:<br />blackened tanks being loaded on to transporters; militia vehicles burned and peppered with bullet holes; the clothing of the newly dead, shot in a battle in Gaddafi's backyard.hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-25947370319431941752012-10-19T17:47:34.377-07:002012-10-19T17:47:34.377-07:00Uploaded by QuatchiCanada on Mar 8, 2011
How much...Uploaded by QuatchiCanada on Mar 8, 2011<br /> How much of the city do you control? @ 4.20 <br /> All of the city!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />They captured tanks & weaponry @ 4.36<br /><br />We [ journo's] are taken to the mosque @ 6.13<br />Peaceful protesters @ the mosque : we killed 4 people on this tanker @ 6.37<br /><br />1 of the captured soldiers [blackskinned] is begging for his life @ 7.15<br /><br />The battle goes on for 3 hours @ 7.44<br />Khadafi's men have retreated @ 7.55<br /> RPG @ 8.21<br /><br />martyr square next morning @ 9.46 , muezzin calls for prayer from mosque?<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_lQY7PuH7M<br /><br />At frame 8:08, you can see two dead mercenaries and one person shouts "these ones (mercenaries) are from Nigeria... Nigeria."<br />hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-72767723049730521012012-10-19T17:38:32.591-07:002012-10-19T17:38:32.591-07:00http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/...http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/RegularSession/Session19/A_HRC_19_68_AnnexIV.pdf<br /><br />The next image of Zawiyah was collected on 14 March by the WorldView-2 satellite, and indicates the mosque had been razed and the property largely swept clean by that date.<br />Additionally, though the quality of the 14 March image is poor, <br /><br />almost 50 light trucks<br />commonly used by combatants in the Libyan conflict are visible in the immediate vicinity of Martyr's Square and the mosque, and two dump trucks as well as a possible front-end loader and cement truck are visible directly adjacent to where the mosque had been. A higher-quality image from 20 March clearly shows the absence of the mosque as well as proximate heavy equipment.<br />pag 28/30hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-87437709597197153572011-12-04T05:35:15.640-08:002011-12-04T05:35:15.640-08:00The aerial view from the North west in early Marc...The aerial view from the North west in early March can be seen at 0.59 <a rel="nofollow">in this video</a><br />The current google map shows no trace now of any structure.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-74030890952188971152011-11-25T02:10:06.909-08:002011-11-25T02:10:06.909-08:00See especially the Skynews video , Battle for Zawi...See especially the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0DkOhBiVnk" rel="nofollow">Skynews video , <b>Battle for Zawiyah - Alex Crawford reports</b></a>,uploaded 9 March 2011.<br />Note at 5.56 the Minaret is in good shape. The Mosque is used as an emergency hospital. But Crawford says that in 3 hours, the battle is won. A dead - butchered? - African soldier is seen right outside the mosque at 8.09. (is it the one seen alive from the Khamis brigade at 7.15?) (and what's that at 9.44?)felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-78119196212563230612011-11-23T22:25:42.207-08:002011-11-23T22:25:42.207-08:00There is an RT news clip, Uploaded by Russia Today...There is an RT news clip, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IjHfVzolRM" rel="nofollow">Uploaded by Russia Today</a> on <b>28 February,</b> with the amusing title for the date,<b>Gaddafi loses Libya: Tripoli last target of opposition </b> in which Peter Oliver reports from Cairo, with photos of Az Zawiyah from about 0.41 onwards. Notice the undamaged minaret of the mosque at 0.44 in the background. The footage, is undated shows rebels in control in Zawiyah until about 1.05 and again from 1.54, with a burnt out ?police? building at 2.19.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-50108288815499492382011-11-22T11:41:30.891-08:002011-11-22T11:41:30.891-08:00Interesting video here, uploaded by rebel freeeeli...Interesting video here, uploaded by rebel freeeelibyan on 27 May - <b>دخول كتائب المجرم القذافي لمدينة الزاوية الليبية 5/3/11 </b> - <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isOASwrIXMY<br />showing Gaddafi troops in a destroyed Zawiya allegedly on 5 March 2011. Comments say this is Faroukh Army of Gaddafi . Soundtrack perhaps dubbed.<br />The internal video of ?injured? being taken through the strange blue overhead sheeting into the mosque is also on the stream of libyahora100 (who also has footage of a rousing speech of Saif Al Islam on his small upload stream) <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU4ZXHxYQaQ<br />uploaded 23 May.<br /><b>كتيبة اللواءالخويلدي الحميدي والمهدي العربي تهاجم الثوارفي ميدان الشهداء بالزاوية , Batallion Major General Khweldi Hamidi Al Mehdi Al Arabi attack Rebels in Martyrs Square, Az Zawiya.</b><br />Video <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RCVXMv5KEI" rel="nofollow">here</a> of Lt Gen Khweldi El Hamedi , 24 June 2011 in Sorman suburb, west of Tripoli where apparently in the early hours of 20 June NATO killed 19 civilians allegedly through<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-africa-13843798" rel="nofollow"><b>weapons failure</b></a> which just happened to be the home of Lt Gen country estate of Khweildy al-Hamidy. (NATO bomb photos<a href="http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/photos_75678.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-52954779932499644372011-11-17T05:40:30.113-08:002011-11-17T05:40:30.113-08:00The mosque should have its own post...
Plus I nee...The mosque should have its own post...<br /><br />Plus I need to expand the old "fakest rebel videos" post...Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-4824491254993392252011-11-17T05:38:23.742-08:002011-11-17T05:38:23.742-08:00By the way, this is odd.
Reports of minaret damage...By the way, this is odd.<br />Reports of minaret damage on the 24th, but the video title suggests this was in the March re-conquest. The smoke bomb video, auto-translate:<br />"Muammar Gaddafi infidel, criminal, and a mosque was bombed [az Zawiya]] 6311"<br />March 6 was the last days of closing in on the square that contituted "free azZawiya" We can see it's still just fine after two alleged attacks.<br /><br />One shows intention to have Gaddafi people attacking the mosque for propaganda in the Muslim world. Noted. <br /><br />However, that other video is sobering. That place was damaged by the 11th. I wasn't even clear on that before. If fighters were using it as a base, it might make enough sense to clobber it and chase them out. <br /><br />It might also make enough sense to the other side, for the PR value, to fake it for real with some of what they did control there: a bunch of stolen heavy weapons. When people see things blown up, they tend to forget everyone was capable of that by this point, and one side (not the one most think) was crazy as hell.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-2770350839154007472011-11-17T05:08:48.744-08:002011-11-17T05:08:48.744-08:00Great work tracking that down again. I'm worki...Great work tracking that down again. I'm working on an update on the Minaret, Feb. 24 Gaddafi speech and bombing report, and whatever else... Hopefully nothing else appears before I wrap that up, but hey...<br /><br />BTW the minaret does have bullet holes in it in that other video. As for this one . yea . shelling . <br /><br />You know it's real because they pan to it, wondering hey' what if something were to happen to the minaret right now? I'd better be filming and whoa, did you see that puff of smoke? The crayon font at the beginning seems perfect for this video. :)<br /><br />Forget war crime, isn't using a mosque to create lies and fakery to falsely invoke religious furor a wee bit sacreligious?Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-27076059791504200292011-11-17T01:22:40.378-08:002011-11-17T01:22:40.378-08:00Here is the ridiculous footage of the minaret of t...Here is the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzn1WvStmXo&feature=related" rel="nofollow">ridiculous footage of the minaret of the mosque at Zawiya coming under attack.</a>, uploaded by freelibyan only on 6 October 2011, 6 months after the alleged incident. Looks like a smoke bomb. However, footage showing real damage to the dome and minaret was uploaded on March 11 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXaRfzyvzu8" rel="nofollow">by VoiceOfShia14</a> :<b>تعرض احد مساجد مدينة الزاوية للقصف</b> - Showing effects of some kind of attack on Az Zawiya mosque - th minaret is damaged, top lost and the dome has caved in.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-19440554944948486082011-11-13T17:48:58.811-08:002011-11-13T17:48:58.811-08:00There is a good quality video from JeelLibya, uplo...There is a good quality video from <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF0xxwfj1Cg&" rel="nofollow">JeelLibya, uploaded 1 March 2011</a>,entitled أداء الصلاة في الزاوية المحررة - السبت 26/02/11 - Prayers on Saturday,26 February in Liberated Al Zawiya, which shows an undamaged mosque and central square with the new flag flying, but pans round to the burnt out hotel building at the end. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/JeelLibya#p/search/1/-wEPHkSZIOc" rel="nofollow">Another video shows the demolition of the minaret,</a> the last vestige of the mosque, uploaded 5 April ,allegedly found on a dead Government soldier in Misrata (can you believe that?)!<br /><br />The Minaret was certainly DOES NOT SEEM TO HAVE BEEN HIT by an anti-aircraft gun on the 24th Feb. There is YouTube footage of what looks like a smoke bomb going off in the minaret somewhere on YouTube (lost it)with no damage... A later video from after the rebel takeover <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntVOFpb8jHk&feature=related" rel="nofollow">unfortunatly undated, uploaded by 17022011libya on 13 July </a> shows the damaged minaret and mosque walls with graffiti, entitled من داخل ميدان الشهداء بمدينة الزاوية في بداية الاحداث (beginning of events in Az Zawiya) However, the last video is important because it places the action <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/sipitchu#p/u/1/Kx6PB1VyNiM" rel="nofollow">this rebel "action" in Az Zawiya</a> within this mosque. In any case, the Sipitchu video is only uploaded on 14 May and doesn't really show anything concrete,just a bit of applied blood,people who don't know which leg to hop on,etc, and gunfire is probably dubbed. Outside seems quite normal.<br />Finally, at 1.00 in <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8f2HafXr8c&feature=related" rel="nofollow">another late loaded video by mocuarch,1 July</a>, one sees the large building with rebel flag down the wall being blown up - it is definitely an explosion from inside, the wall is blown out. The mosque and minaret remain intact. Were they also blown up? The battles are mocked up. <b>Interesting footage</b> nevertheless.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-78645807140302519652011-10-16T01:00:24.046-07:002011-10-16T01:00:24.046-07:00This youtube video was uploaded on 29 May, but pro...<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An1ZP--_jdE&feature=related" rel="nofollow">This youtube video</a> was uploaded on 29 May, but probably releates to much earlier. Pretty gruesome - throats cut??felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-40669735755028720092011-07-25T04:13:23.845-07:002011-07-25T04:13:23.845-07:00damn, that didn't work ...
copy this templat...damn, that didn't work ... <br /><br />copy this template, <br /><br />+a hre f = "http://bdclaymart.blogspot.com/2011/06/entanglement-of-humanity-for-oil-gold_11.html">blue link text< / a > <br /><br />but replace the + with a < , remove all spaces inside the < > brackets after the the "e" in href. Inside the quotes, your url, between the > and closing </, you put the words. Cool, and it occurs to me maybe you already know this and didn't do it because it's a slight pain. <br /><br />Not as bad as trying to explain it ... Okay, I'm outta here.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-58365869500952848472011-07-25T04:05:29.773-07:002011-07-25T04:05:29.773-07:00Thanks for the comment, and I reciprocated there. ...Thanks for the comment, and I reciprocated there. Good thoughts. Why can't those even seem to cross the mind of world leaders (including Mr. Gaddafi)? <br /><br />Also, FYI as a prize for checking back, links in comments can be made thus:<br /><br />Use this template:<br /><a rel="nofollow">Blue link text</a><br /><br />except replace the g in gref with an H and it becomes:<br /><a href="http://bdclaymart.blogspot.com/2011/06/entanglement-of-humanity-for-oil-gold_11.html" rel="nofollow">Blue link text</a>Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-82923801573648938732011-07-24T08:02:03.411-07:002011-07-24T08:02:03.411-07:00Great analysis...
but question is "What can ...Great analysis...<br /><br />but question is "What can be done to save human live in Libya, Syria and Afghanistan as well as Iraq :"<br /><br />I do not mean; world should fold its hands and watch freedom fighter of Libya or any other martyr around the world go in flames for democracy. Gadafi and his cohorts must be arrested immediately according to law of Hague convention and taken to the Hague committee to answer some questions on .....<br />http://bdclaymart.blogspot.com/2011/06/entanglement-of-humanity-for-oil-gold_11.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04411094035462427021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-58255214147278942522011-06-28T05:04:44.561-07:002011-06-28T05:04:44.561-07:00Great story, thanks! New post coming ... (off-topi...Great story, thanks! New post coming ... (off-topic comment posted while this one was at top, for later readers)Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-22051061589608517272011-06-28T03:59:53.127-07:002011-06-28T03:59:53.127-07:00some sober facts from Amnesty International about ...some sober facts from Amnesty International about rape, viagra and mercanaries :<br /><br />http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/amnesty-questions-claim-that-gaddafi-ordered-rape-as-weapon-of-war-2302037.htmlPeet73https://www.blogger.com/profile/18380551847626151514noreply@blogger.com