tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post4148464301383875512..comments2024-03-18T22:03:28.458-07:00Comments on Monitor on Massacre Marketing: The Khoms Cargo Container IncidentCaustic Logichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-8345496888617050442013-08-01T18:29:37.752-07:002013-08-01T18:29:37.752-07:00The shipping container incident has a precedent in...The shipping container incident has a precedent in Afghanistan in 2001.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.propublica.org/article/white-house-closes-inquiry-into-afghan-massacre-and-will-release-no-details" rel="nofollow">White House Closes Inquiry Into Afghan Massacre – and Will Release No Details</a><br /><i>The long saga began in November 2001, when Taliban prisoners who had surrendered to Northern Alliance commander Abdul Rashid Dostum were transported in shipping containers without food or water. According to eyewitness accounts and forensic work by human rights investigators, hundreds of men died of suffocation while others were shot, and their bodies buried at the desert site of Dasht-i-Leili.</i>Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-44516182078687956262012-08-16T13:08:57.276-07:002012-08-16T13:08:57.276-07:00june 12, 2012
A year ago to the day, there took p...june 12, 2012<br /><br />A year ago to the day, there took place in Khoms one of the more revolting demonstrations of the utter inhumanity to which the Qaddafi regime had sunk.<br /><br />Non-Libyans have probably never heard of the Khoms container killings. Most Libyans have. They have gone down in the annals of the revolution as being an horrific demonstration of the depravity of Qaddafi’s minions.<br /><br />Twenty-one people in Tripoli, Zawia and Khoms had been arrested by the regime last May, suspected of supporting the revolution. Those from Tripoli and Zawia were taken to Khoms for interrogation by the head of the Military Intelligence there, Mohammed Dabub, who was directly under the authority of Abdullah Senussi. It has been reported they were tortured there.<br /><br />They were kept prisoner in a 40-foot metal container. The doors were opened from time to time to let in fresh air and food and water was provided occasionally.<br /><br />On 4 June, Dabub was called to Tripoli. He gave orders to the guards that the container was not to be opened. It appears he then forgot about it. But his minions did as they were told despite the fact that it was full summer and the heat was beating down. The outside temperature was in the upper 30s. The only ventilation inside came from a few bullet holes. For three days the prisoners inside slowly suffocated. They banged on the sides. But no one dared open it.<br /><br />Eighteen of the prisoners baked to death. Among them was Tripoli businessman Tariq Bin Halim, a relative of Mustafa Ben Halim, a former prime minister under the monarchy. He died at 1.30pm on 6 June, according to one of the three survivors, Khoms resident Mohammed Tarhouni. An asthma sufferer, he was the first to die.<br />http://www.shabablibya.org/news/the-black-hole-of-khoms-a-bitter-anniversary<br /><br /><br />*<br /><br />"On 4 June, Dabub was called to Tripoli."<br /><br />Twitter 3 jun 2011 :<br /><br /><br />Mohammed Debashi Mohammed Debashi @Mc_Debashi <br /><br /><br />Colonel Bashing Al-bishti was an assassin for #ghaddafi b4 Feb17. Now forced his comrades n officers to fight after dropping their weapons <br /><br /> 9:20 PM - 3 Jun 11 via Twitter for Android · Embed this Tweet hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-39611548079997053052012-06-11T22:51:14.975-07:002012-06-11T22:51:14.975-07:00It still seems far fetched. In fact, not even sli...It still seems far fetched. In fact, not even slightly credible. So what were all those "bodies" in Khoms Hospital then at the same time??felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-4017651644507909882012-06-11T19:17:54.132-07:002012-06-11T19:17:54.132-07:00This might help explain something:
His response [...This might help explain something:<br /><br /><i>His response</i> [Mohammed Dabub, head of Military Intelligence in Khoms] <i>was to hide the evidence. The 18 bodies were taken and dumped in a hole by the side of the road that had been dug to lay electricity cables in Al-Orban, near Gharian. It meant a 100-kilometer journey to Tripoli and another 80 kilometres to Gharian. “They wanted to hide the bodies and get them as far away from Khoms as possible,” said Hani Benali, Ben Halim’s brother-in-law.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.libyaherald.com/the-black-hole-of-khoms-a-bitter-anniversary/" rel="nofollow">The Black Hole of Khoms: a bitter anniversary</a><br />Libya Herald, Tripoli, 6 JunePetri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-2379741542591029602012-05-23T02:47:28.575-07:002012-05-23T02:47:28.575-07:00now I stumbled upon Araya Human Rights Organisat...now I stumbled upon Araya Human Rights Organisation :<br /><br />Sheikh Albishti been killed over 20 years ago by Gaddafi men قتل الشيخ البشتى منذ اكثر من عشرين سنة مضت<br />http://arayahro.blogspot.com/2008/08/sheikh-albishti-been-killed-over-20.html<br /><br />In newer blogs 8000 women are raped and dr Dr Ahmed Sewehli,Head, Misrata Psychiatry Team,Misrata, Libya, urge :<br />Do please ensure that you coordinate all mental health work in Misratah with Dr Ahmed.<br /><br />About us : forget_faithfulness, John Molyneux, IZY, News Circular, Administration الادارة<br /> mohamed abouzaenin al, AL, Bill Owen, mohamed<br /><br />http://arayahro.blogspot.com/hurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-23026291262165586192012-05-23T02:12:53.890-07:002012-05-23T02:12:53.890-07:00https://twitter.com/Mc_Debashi/status/767148480456...https://twitter.com/Mc_Debashi/status/76714848045633536<br /><br />Mohammed Debashi @Mc_Debashi<br /><br />Colonel Bashing Al-bishti was an assassin for #ghaddafi b4 Feb17. Now forced his comrades n officers to fight after dropping their weaponshurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-39343186535235032832012-05-23T02:03:30.157-07:002012-05-23T02:03:30.157-07:00LIBYA. Tripoli. Cell interior in Ein Zara prison w...LIBYA. Tripoli. Cell interior in Ein Zara prison where over 900 prisoners were trapped without food or water for 3 days after the anti-Gaddafi forces overran Tripoli.<br /><br /> Here we see the tunnel from where the prisoners finally escaped. 2011<br />http://www.magnumphotos.com/image/C.aspx?VP3=TranslateURL&OriginalURLForRewriting=image/PAR404086.html<br /><br /><br />LIBYA. Tripoli. Digging for bodies in Ein Zara prison where political prisoners were held in the southern suburbs of Tripoli. 2011.<br /><br />http://mediastore.magnumphotos.com/CoreXDoc/MAG/Media/TR6/0/1/0/f/PAR404090.jpg<br />Stuart Franklin<br /><br />http://www.magnumphotos.com/Catalogue/Stuart-Franklin/2011/LIBYA-ABU-SALIM-NN1108886.html<br />Stuart Franklin - LIBYA. ABU SALIM.hurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-74128150493150155102012-05-23T02:01:45.531-07:002012-05-23T02:01:45.531-07:00Guards eventually opened the containers late in th...Guards eventually opened the containers late in the afternoon on 6 June, and the 11 survivors were transferred to other detention centres in Tripoli. <br />http://www.shabablibya.org/news/libya-detainees-left-to-suffocate-in-crowded-metal-containers<br /><br />TRIPOLI:<br />http://www.libyauprisingarchive.com/91---95-from-a-good-source.html<br /><br />About 1000 of prisoners were found on a farm close to Ein Zara <br />prison in a deplorable state, including 6 Martyrs,<br /> as well as about 9000 others being held under the petroleum engineering building.<br /><br />RRowleyTucson Robert Rowley<br />#Tripoli: About 1000 prisoners have been found on a farm close to #EinZara prison. #Libya #Feb17<br /><br />Amnesty International: #Libya-detainees left to SUFFOCATE in crowded metal containers goo.gl/K8xdF #feb17 #gaddaficrimeshurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-11119492049137721932012-05-23T01:59:58.549-07:002012-05-23T01:59:58.549-07:00The killer of Ahmed Ghariani ?
لقاء مع سفاح عطية ...The killer of Ahmed Ghariani ?<br />لقاء مع سفاح عطية مجاهد قاتل احمد الغرياني<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeTwPBK3mYk&feature=related<br />Uploaded by sa2011lem on Nov 11, 2011<br /><br />"I think they let him confess about disapeared drs and containers , must translate !!<br />anyway : he blames& names all his comrades , qadaf al dam, and fault of mansour, I think<br /><br />@ 14.00 , mountains ,same voice as in the ahmed story in benghazi : quatchi canada said, when she appeled on all you tubers for information : we get you about yr voice<br /><br /> btw : ppl not killed there in mountains , about ahmed I doubt too, c in 1 of this mountain vids june,july y see ahmed wounded but live [ must check it, posted this vids before here somewhere]<br /><br />@ 32.52 many tears and forgiveness is asked to "shabab liby,special to the youth of misrata"<br /> He did haram: libiya hurhurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-11221848852767471882012-05-23T01:56:46.116-07:002012-05-23T01:56:46.116-07:00See @ 5.00 /Uploaded by mohamed2011Libyan on Sep 2...See @ 5.00 /Uploaded by mohamed2011Libyan on Sep 22, 2011<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alsV26PDcT0&feature=relmfu<br /><br />القبض على قاتل الدكتور احمد الذى رفض تمجيد القذافى فى عز طغيان الكتائب<br /><br />Arrest of the murderer of Dr. Ahmed, who refused to glorify Gaddafi<br /> Ahmed Ramadan Al-Gheryani, a 27-year-old volunteer nurse from Al-Mare, was arrested alongside Ahmed Al-Warfali.hurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-81275950176403639262012-05-21T15:54:42.542-07:002012-05-21T15:54:42.542-07:00http://mediastore.magnumphotos.com/CoreXDoc/MAG/Me...http://mediastore.magnumphotos.com/CoreXDoc/MAG/Media/TR6/0/1/0/f/PAR404090.jpg<br />Stuart Franklin<br /><br />LIBYA. Tripoli. Digging for bodies in Ein Zara prison where political prisoners were held in the southern suburbs of Tripoli. 2011.<br /><br />http://www.magnumphotos.com/image/PAR404086.html<br /><br />http://mediastore.magnumphotos.com/CoreXDoc/MAG/Media/TR3/9/7/c/a/PAR404086.jpg<br />Stuart Franklin<br /><br />LIBYA. Tripoli. Cell interior in Ein Zara prison where over 900 prisoners were trapped without food or water for 3 days after the anti-Gaddafi forces overran Tripoli.<br /><br />Here we see the tunnel from where the prisoners finally escaped. 2011<br />http://www.magnumphotos.com/Catalogue/Stuart-Franklin/2011/LIBYA-ABU-SALIM-NN1108886.htmlhurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-50969083811585595422012-05-21T12:34:59.013-07:002012-05-21T12:34:59.013-07:00http://www.lbbc.org.uk/market_intelligence.php
Aut...http://www.lbbc.org.uk/market_intelligence.php<br />Author/Source: George Grant Research Fellow at the Henry Jackson Society<br /><br /><br />George Grant is a Research Fellow at the Henry Jackson Society, which he joined in October 2009. George has written <br />extensively for HJS on a wide range of issues relating to British foreign policy and international relations, with major recent publications including “Succeeding in Afghanistan” (September 2010) and “The Tipping Point: British National Strategy <br /><br />and the UK’s Future World Role” (July 2011). Since February 2011, George has worked closely on the conflict in Libyahurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-87069516693946871532012-05-21T12:31:15.571-07:002012-05-21T12:31:15.571-07:00George Grant,@GeorgePBGrant
https://si0.twimg.com...George Grant,@GeorgePBGrant<br /><br />https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2161923791/GG_Profile1-LowRes_reasonably_small.jpg<br /><br />Assistant Editor @LibyaHerald, Libya Correspondent @TheTimes & Associate Fellow @HenryJacksonSoc<br />Tripoli and London · http://www.libyaherald.comhurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-29054398440418670152012-05-21T09:16:11.767-07:002012-05-21T09:16:11.767-07:00The bodies of the 19 missing people have not been ...The bodies of the 19 missing people have not been recovered, though remains have been found at a nearby date syrup factory, they have no means of knowing if these are new or old.<br />http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16061766<br /><br />A day after the Galaa burial, another search team found 18 bodies near a road construction site dozens of miles away. The bodies are believed to be those of 18 men who died June 6 in a makeshift Gadhafi detention center in Khoms, said Col. Salem Tweer, head of the former rebels' local military council.<br />http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/09/10/libyans-find-mass-grave-bodies-slain-detainees.html<br /><br />On September 8, the captured soldier took Tweer and a team from al-Khoms to a remote site called Wadi Dufan between Orban and Bani Walid, about 60 kilometers south of al-Khoms, where they exhumed the 18 bodies <br />http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/09/09/libya-19-suffocated-gaddafi-detention<br /><br />As Petri noted : Guardian shows a better view of the site: the bodies were not in a mass grave, but in individual graves.<br />I must wonder how one solder could have dug all these 18 graves. <br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/sep/06/gaddafi-torture-mass-grave-video<br />@ 2.17 individual graveshurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-62959794862758898812012-05-21T08:43:34.580-07:002012-05-21T08:43:34.580-07:00At the start of June, he tells us, he was one of 2...At the start of June, he tells us, he was one of 29 people thrown into two shipping containers, the walls peppered with bullets. <br /><br />But after six days the doors were closed and locked and the detainees baked in the heat, dehydrating and suffocating, they begged for help. <br /><br />When the container doors opened Faraj was shipped into Tripoli and detained for three months in the intelligence HQ.<br /><br />http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16061766<br /><br />The bodies of the 19 missing people have not been recovered, though remains have been found at a nearby date syrup factory, they have no means of knowing if these are new or old.<br /><br />He was freed a day after Green Square - now known as Martyrs Square - fell. His family had thought he was dead.<br /><br />He has only been back 10 days and has much to discuss. [ 23 aug?]hurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-36642397785740933032012-05-21T07:48:11.182-07:002012-05-21T07:48:11.182-07:00TRIPOLI:
http://www.libyauprisingarchive.com/91---...TRIPOLI:<br />http://www.libyauprisingarchive.com/91---95-from-a-good-source.html<br /><br />About 1000 of prisoners were found on a farm close to Ein Zara prison in a deplorable state, <br /><br />including 6 Martyrs,<br /><br /> as well as about 9000 others being held under the petroleum engineering building.<br />RRowleyTucson Robert Rowley<br />#Tripoli: About 1000 prisoners have been found on a farm close to #EinZara prison. #Libya #Feb17<br /><br />Guards eventually opened the containers late in the afternoon on 6 June, and the 11 survivors were transferred to other detention centres in Tripoli. <br /><br />http://www.shabablibya.org/news/libya-detainees-left-to-suffocate-in-crowded-metal-containers<br /><br />September 1, 2011/Posted in August 2011, News, Week Commencing August 29 2011 | 17:15 <br /><br />Guards eventually opened the containers late in the afternoon on 6 June, and the 11 survivors were transferred to other detention centres in Tripoli. <br /><br />They were freed on 21 August, and one later died of kidney failure.<br /><br />It is unknown what happened to the bodies of those who died in the containers.hurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-74366165360052804292012-05-21T06:36:52.264-07:002012-05-21T06:36:52.264-07:00Sept. 8, 2011
A Libyan medic checks the remains o...Sept. 8, 2011<br /><br />A Libyan medic checks the remains of one of 18 prisoners who reportedly suffocated after being locked in a shipping container by members of the Gaddafi military in Qhoms, about 60 miles southeast of Tripoli. The remains were transferred to a hospital morgue in Tripoli late Thursday<br /><br />late thursday : 8 sept ?<br />khums “free” 21 aug<br />{ A group from Galaa, aided by a team from the Red Cross, began exhuming the bodies Aug. 20.]hurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-67031894974496519632012-05-21T06:23:12.928-07:002012-05-21T06:23:12.928-07:00sorry y noted it alreadysorry y noted it alreadyhurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-52889158528618362682012-05-21T06:21:32.972-07:002012-05-21T06:21:32.972-07:00@ felix : The request for container material from ...@ felix : The request for container material from Libya Uprising Archive went out at 2.48pm Aug 20th,2011.<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQB6gUTDrzM<br />@ 1.43 saladin alhour told me that he and his brother were held in 1 of the containers at late aughurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-7279791582778659612012-05-21T06:13:51.645-07:002012-05-21T06:13:51.645-07:00when the libiyan herald publish something , y can ...when the libiyan herald publish something , y can be sure there is a name inside of people they are hunting :<br /><br />On one occasion, Qaddafi’s men threw a burning tire into a truck filled with Khoms freedom fighters. Many died as a result. The incident, however, went unreported. Two of the dictator’s close security aides, Al-Bishti and Al-Daboub, were subsequently held responsible for the atrocities.<br />http://www.libyaherald.com/the-february-17-revolution-in-khoms/hurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-35876097262689267762012-05-20T23:54:05.576-07:002012-05-20T23:54:05.576-07:00If you didn't find it yet, it's on the CN...If you didn't find it yet, it's on the CNN "it's a bad time to be black man in Libya" video. <br /><br />And hey are these comments thick. Is there still doubt about the hilly terrain? What was the video link? <br /><br />I'm way behind on this, but will look at it some.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-88955292266423942452012-05-20T23:43:43.034-07:002012-05-20T23:43:43.034-07:00@Petri - I have noticed that the container footage...@Petri - I have noticed that the container footage Mar 30 2012 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-tgBx7BX5Q" rel="nofollow">dates from much earlier, viz August 4</a> at least. The white interior probably smoke blackened? It was also wheeled out on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAIoZsKDSQI" rel="nofollow">Sept 16</a> when container torture was topical.<br /><br />I think that the mass grave used in the FreeKhoms footage is in the Nafusa Mountains - I can't see anywhere so hilly in the Khoms region. Perhaps this is the Hauslohner tweeted grave? There is some more video of this same exhumation, much clearer, also towards sunset with a large cast of observers, which I can't relocate.<br /><br />Therefelixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-80994408200094485402012-05-20T22:30:52.722-07:002012-05-20T22:30:52.722-07:00@Petri - the source for the identification is HRW ...@Petri - the source for the identification is HRW itself:<br /><a href="http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/09/09/libya-19-suffocated-gaddafi-detention" rel="nofollow">http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/09/09/libya-19-suffocated-gaddafi-detention</a><br /><i>[Sept 9 2011]: Local journalists in al-Khoms showed Human Rights Watch a video they said had been taken from the cell phone of a Gaddafi soldier, which shows three men in green military uniforms kicking and whipping six bound and blindfolded men in a metal container. <b>Mohanned Jamal Berfad</b> watched the video and <b>identified himself as one of the men being beaten.</b> He identified one of the other detainees getting beaten in the video as his cousin Yousef Berfad, 23, who was arrested for having sent information to the Al Jazeera news network.</i><br /><br />Ah, the convenient Gaddafi soldier's cell phone....<br /><br /><br />Also, the number of survivors has grown...<br /><i>149. The [ONCHR] Commission met four survivors from the containers.</i> HRW only mentioned three, including Mohannad Berfad who, for some inexplicable reason was <b>released prior to the suffocation deaths</b> Video footage also shows a lot more than two containers at the site.<br /><br />ONHCR report pp60-64, paras 147-159. It seems like a load of hocum on initial reading. <br />Bodies dug up on 8 September 2011 from a mass grave at Al Orban, near Gharyan - 200km away, would you believe from ONHCR - they can't even read the HRW reference: <i>Wadi Dufan between Orban and Bani Walid</i> Still a ridiuculous distance to go.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-63041062645492361552012-05-20T21:19:12.425-07:002012-05-20T21:19:12.425-07:00The request for container material from Libya Upri...The request for container material from Libya Uprising Archive went out at 2.48pm Aug 20th,2011.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-87218583516628375322012-05-20T15:06:12.883-07:002012-05-20T15:06:12.883-07:00This source says Sidi Muftah, with a latitude of 3...This source says <a href="http://www.traveljournals.net/explore/libya/map/m4487981/sidi_muftah.html" rel="nofollow">Sidi Muftah</a>, with a latitude of 32.58 (32° 34' 60 N) and a longitude of 14.37 (14° 22' 0 E), is a spot feature (shrine) located in the area / state of Al Khums in Libya that is a part of Africa.<br /><br />Should be around here:<br /><a href="http://g.co/maps/4nsz5" rel="nofollow">http://g.co/maps/4nsz5</a><br /><br />There is also another Sidi Muftah in the desert south of Tobruk. See: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gazala" rel="nofollow">Battle of Gazala</a>Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.com