tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post4145186002754475290..comments2024-03-18T22:03:28.458-07:00Comments on Monitor on Massacre Marketing: Douma CW Massacre: The "CW Barrel Bomb" That Wasn't ThereCaustic Logichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-40714582927060917242018-05-17T05:17:08.589-07:002018-05-17T05:17:08.589-07:00Perhaps rhetorical / for those who believe this al...Perhaps rhetorical / for those who believe this all really happened: watching the drone footage of Douma, where are all the yellow cylinders that missed and didn't land on beds or land perfectly next to holes?Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-58403829797660462132018-05-06T05:44:47.226-07:002018-05-06T05:44:47.226-07:00I must have missed something, why is the rain in d...I must have missed something, why is the rain in doubt? 11am the next morning <a href="https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/OSDI/2018/4/8/DailyHistory.html?req_city=&req_state=&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=" rel="nofollow">0.4 mm measured</a> using the site Charles himself linked to and the drops can be seen in the WH video (above)?<br /><br />The frost on the other hand doesn't seem to be mentioned by any activists at all, Bellingcat + commenters seem to have sold the idea which has really caught on for some reason, even though the night video was meant to be some time after the event.<br /><br />Perhaps I'm being too biased in thinking it all looks so fake that no chlorine came out of any cylinder (and by extension no frost).. so I'll leave looking at it to everyone else and just see if the OPCW 'confirms' all the impossible-shot yellow cylinder silliness. Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-31035348036517599212018-05-06T04:27:22.333-07:002018-05-06T04:27:22.333-07:00Reuters photo is from April 23rd, from the descrip...Reuters photo is from April 23rd, from the description it is after the OPCW inspectors have been there so the white 'cleaned' patches on the wall could be taking samples.<br /><br />I think the dirt here and on the basement walls show there really wasn't any kind of Russian and Syrian gov clean up too (unless they then had a way of cleaning and then putting the dirt back). Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-70207347539233738262018-05-05T20:44:21.560-07:002018-05-05T20:44:21.560-07:00https://twitter.com/CL4Syr/status/9929718437944934...https://twitter.com/CL4Syr/status/992971843794493440 - match runs across, on the other side of the window too. Taken to https://feitoffake.wordpress.com/2018/05/05/what-was-cause-of-fire-in-douma-room-below-balcony-where-cylinder-landed/Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-65589632991132264262018-05-05T19:40:09.608-07:002018-05-05T19:40:09.608-07:00unscrewed manually: this is a red herring. That...unscrewed manually: this is a red herring. That's for the outer cap, which would always be removed before dropping. The valve assemply screws into the interior of that neck, so it's harder to see, app. unseen so far. It could be left screwed-in but snapped off, popped out against the threads, or manually unscrewed. Can't tell. Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-43034471524624867902018-05-01T13:30:44.562-07:002018-05-01T13:30:44.562-07:00Interesting - maybe something from the room below?...Interesting - maybe something from the room below? Might explain taking things out of the cupboards and putting them in the middle of the floor, looking for something to cover the cylinder with. <br /><br />Bellingcat explain quick death by chlorine technically possible but I think skips over the part where the concentration would be slowly building, they could see and smell the cloud. I can't see the people doing anything but try and get out before it ever reaches the concentration in their calculations. The building does seem to match the story of one of the medics who thought lower floors were full of dust and the upper floors on fire. <br /><br />Poor Hassan Diab looked completely bored not worried at all, <a href="https://youtu.be/nKil4rhDFW8?t=6562" rel="nofollow">checking his phone and being told to put it away by his father here</a> .. and the bodies are photographed in a different tunnel than the one leading to the hospital.. then in some kind of garage? I wonder whether they avoided taking the bodies to the actual hospital deliberately. Seems to be no attempt at medical treatment for any victims seen at the house at all?Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-65972158806305896342018-04-30T05:48:11.701-07:002018-04-30T05:48:11.701-07:00guy says it was pouring gas on the fall down, he s...guy says it was pouring gas on the fall down, he saw it in the dark. But .. possible the outer valve cracked around the threads? WHat I notice is the tiny blanket fibers from where they moved it. Noting all gold/beige color, no red fibers, so prob. not the blanket left behind (was that for grabbing the back end it's nearest?). https://twitter.com/CL4Syr/status/990916498041462785<br />Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-2813316772853122052018-04-30T03:35:50.800-07:002018-04-30T03:35:50.800-07:00smoke match: that's worth a bit. Some think th...smoke match: that's worth a bit. Some think the fire came after the night video, maybe to melt off the frost (?). I suppose not, this helps. The ceiling looks pretty gray. That darkness is steeper than the light difference, same angled edge - that's the smoke, pre-existing. <br /><br />So it's hole punched and rubble deposited, canister placed, fire set, smoke on cylinder and in room, then after all that (immediately after the last?), possible frosting cylinder slowly seeping gas (if that applies, not sure...) as the bodies are filmed. Huh.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-89406867565909359162018-04-30T03:29:39.326-07:002018-04-30T03:29:39.326-07:00wheel placement: it looks like three fins, thr fin...wheel placement: it looks like three fins, thr fin bars equally space, one invisible beneath. Considering tht, this must be a fourth bar with the wheel - spaced too close to the top one to be bar 3, so placed between 2 and 3, which presumably makes sense. Bilal gas mask video shows top bar (suspension lugs, metal loops) is opposite the bottom bar, with wheels visible there too.<br /><br />Charles Wood notess the suspension lugs might be redundant given the wheels or vice-versa. Maybe they try too hard to prove it's designed for helicopters? Or maybe the regime just likes flexible weaponry for the poorly-timed CW attacks.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-31834202379469055872018-04-29T09:41:10.973-07:002018-04-29T09:41:10.973-07:00Hard to tell if they are right about the cylinder,...Hard to tell if they are right about the cylinder, maybe a better photo than this one will appear<br /><br />https://imgur.com/a/8WGwu5j<br /><br />I agree with MichaKobs here https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/990293667582799872 on the fire being before the night video <br />The smoke damage to the cylinder appears to match the first position in relation to the hole. Reasonably, if genuine, the smoke damage has to happen at the same time as the fire. So the Bellingcat version seems to be-<br /><br />Cylinder smashes hole in roof and then stops dead next to it<br />Fire breaks out and dirt builds up on cylinder<br />Cylinder leaks enough chlorine to kill 40 people before they can run away<br />Frost forms (as shown in a video that makes the camera man just cough then run away, not drop dead); frost forms despite being above the fire<br />After some delay for the fire to go out / gas / gas masks / air strikes activists go in<br />Night video is filmed with cylinder still coated in frost even though it was above a fire and the temperature still above 20°C <br />Frost then melts overnight leaving dirt underneath intact<br />It rains the next morning (red arrows seen in second picture) washing off some of the dirt on the cylinder<br /><br />... right.Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-10190843053671006492018-04-29T05:53:34.657-07:002018-04-29T05:53:34.657-07:00Biggest thing for the balcony cylinder is that the...Biggest thing for the balcony cylinder is that the top was unscrewed manually <br /><br />https://imgur.com/2lwI64b<br /><br />This makes throwing it from a helicopter an extremely unlikely way to gas anyone in the house?Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-56171326089115129112018-04-29T04:48:45.180-07:002018-04-29T04:48:45.180-07:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqV-EuMgM9c
A few...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqV-EuMgM9c<br /><br />A few different shots and Russian evidenceAndrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-62710436644032383132018-04-28T05:51:19.494-07:002018-04-28T05:51:19.494-07:00For what its worth, smoke damage above the wires o...For what its worth, smoke damage above the wires on the right of the window seems to match (but hard to tell)<br /><br />https://imgur.com/vRJGJRj<br />Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-10465831671053389642018-04-28T03:09:29.550-07:002018-04-28T03:09:29.550-07:00https://cdni.rt.com/media/pics/2018.04/original/5a...https://cdni.rt.com/media/pics/2018.04/original/5ade2799d43750cf548b459d.jpg<br /><br />The fire looks worse from this angle. Family photo on the wall (in room with no furniture, have they left or are they in with the victims? Spiderman bag and other bags they might have taken if they were leaving)<br /><br />From the newer video<br />https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201804261427-lic2.htm<br /><br />I'm not understanding how the 'barrel bomb wheels' would work given their position and the third fin. Wouldn't the fins be dragging along the floor? Would be nice if someone could explain the design idea:<br /><br />https://media.tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201804261427-lic2.htm/1.jpgAndrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-6401890144653893542018-04-26T23:16:19.412-07:002018-04-26T23:16:19.412-07:00This was a good spot - https://twitter.com/Deus_Ab...This was a good spot - https://twitter.com/Deus_Abscondis/status/989508490195419136<br /><br />You can see drops of rain on the other things on the balcony.<br /><br />I'll add the caveat that I think it is a more convincing argument that the cylinder might be there in the night video but too far to the left to be seen (comparing the top of the cylinder with where the wires cross in the WH video of the 8th), it must have been there during the fire. <br /><br />The smoke damage to the right of the window in the video shown in the Russian OPCW briefing appears to match the shape if you tweak the brightness on the night video, but it is a bit blurry to be conclusive. Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-82598856785560445192018-04-23T12:18:40.369-07:002018-04-23T12:18:40.369-07:00Some of that footage at 1080p https://youtu.be/C1C...Some of that footage at 1080p https://youtu.be/C1C-TAxjeLQ?t=11<br />Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-24522230747070165102018-04-23T09:47:00.752-07:002018-04-23T09:47:00.752-07:00Might be interesting to add the wall on the right ...Might be interesting to add the wall on the right here to the Kobs model, <br /><br />https://youtu.be/DkK1odl-5oU?t=66<br /><br />then remove the cylinder and see if the wall would be the background looking through the hole at the angle in the first video (light on that wall could be the white 'object' seen)<br /><br />There is an english video too, quality not great<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLfhPWI4eJMAndrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-62348913930196836942018-04-23T04:26:39.769-07:002018-04-23T04:26:39.769-07:00Using Charles Wood's link it looks like it rai...Using Charles Wood's link it looks like it rained at 11am on the 8th https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/OSDI/2018/4/8/DailyHistory.html?req_city=&req_state=&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=<br /><br />Could explain the drips of water seen in Higgins video still and the patterns on the blackened end of the cylinder, no melting ice neededAndrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-84383425949225029422018-04-23T02:06:05.899-07:002018-04-23T02:06:05.899-07:00I saw a few mentions of it and have been trying to...I saw a few mentions of it and have been trying to follow what you have been looking at via twitter, even if frost did form it is still freezing January night vs a much warmer April night- wouldn't last long. <br /><br />I thought light from the other guy ahead on the stairs most likely (he disappears and there is time for him to go up another floor). It could also be why they shout- to make sure he hears that they're going back down.<br /><br />Perhaps Bellingcat could just censor/mute parts of the earlier video!Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-36240533787838159792018-04-22T18:42:34.582-07:002018-04-22T18:42:34.582-07:00you saw the frost theory? I had it proposed on Twi...you saw the frost theory? I had it proposed on Twitter. Interesting, but I didn't feel like going into it. Maybe they lit the fire to thaw off the ice, so we could see the yellow. Some idiots over there... Somehow it looks white, but it's there in that weird position.<br /><br />But looking at that frost. Thanks for the background. So it's cold as heck but only one thing frosts. A full can of beer would frost, but there isn't one, just that metal tank. This tank that never released its payload ... is it liquid? Fuel-air? Or dry HE? I don't know. It's not any known "fssshhhh" chlorine bomb, nor a sarin one. No sign it should be filled with pressurized gas to cause that effect.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-60549784360325227052018-04-22T06:08:05.972-07:002018-04-22T06:08:05.972-07:00https://www.stj-sy.com/en/view/414
Even more by c...https://www.stj-sy.com/en/view/414<br /><br />Even more by coincidence it was early morning and 'faded' as the sun came up. Mysterious! No mention of the weather in their report, that just 'confirms' the frost meaning a CW warhead. Smells like "chlorine that we use in houses" in Douma.. I wonder how anyone can tell the difference between victims smelling of the 'house' chlorine and chlorine that has been fired at them.<br /><br />Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-77940772754776319892018-04-22T02:01:55.792-07:002018-04-22T02:01:55.792-07:00Frost theory: the proof is this? http://abcnews.go...Frost theory: the proof is this? http://abcnews.go.com/International/photos/photo-photo-shows-empty-rocket-reportedly-fired-regime-52531045<br /><br />It says that was January 22nd<br /><br />At the same time people were freezing to death https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/22/fifteen-syrians-freeze-death-trying-flee-lebanon/<br /><br />And this says the night before was below 0 in Damascus https://www.accuweather.com/en/sy/damascus/314446/january-weather/314446<br /><br />The frost is due to chlorine or because it was outside overnight? <br /><br />In this case how does ice work with the fire and smoke damage to the cylinder? Someone went up there to start a fire after that night video? Spontaneous combustion? The theory doesn't work.Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-46198331925476948952018-04-18T11:50:23.385-07:002018-04-18T11:50:23.385-07:00https://www.mintpressnews.com/famed-war-reporter-r...https://www.mintpressnews.com/famed-war-reporter-robert-fisk-reaches-syrian-chemical-attack-site-concludes-not-gassed/240660/#.WtZ5-P-WNPc.twitter<br />The Independent: “Middle East Correspondent Robert Fisk in one of the miles of tunnels hacked beneath Douma by prisoners of Syrian rebels.” (source: Yara Ismail via the Independent)<br />Fisk goes on to identify the doctor by name – Dr. Assim Rahaibani – which is notable given the fact that all early reporting from Douma typically relied on “unnamed doctors” and anonymous opposition sources for early claims of a chlorine gas attack (lately morphed into an unverified “mixed” chlorine-and-sarin attack). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com