tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post1715610014655553495..comments2024-03-18T22:03:28.458-07:00Comments on Monitor on Massacre Marketing: The Tripoli Massacres: See-Through Salem {Masterlist}Caustic Logichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comBlogger89125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-83211204915792716342014-12-11T04:06:24.972-08:002014-12-11T04:06:24.972-08:00Col Saleem al-Ferjani was appointed yesterday as c...Col Saleem al-Ferjani was appointed yesterday as chief of the Internal Security Organization (ISO). <br /><br />https://twitter.com/Morning_LY/status/543011176385634304<br /><br />11 Dec 2014 hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-5669188499799568482013-02-07T09:52:44.660-08:002013-02-07T09:52:44.660-08:00a companion of khaled farjani :
http://static.gui...a companion of khaled farjani :<br /><br />http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/4/1/1301652775925/A-rebel-fighter-test-fire-008.jpg<br /><br />1 April 2011 11.53am: This photograph shows a rebel fighter test-firing his machine gun as he waits for his convoy to move out after refuelling at a staging post on the western outskirts of Ajdabiya. <br /><br />http://www.libyaherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Hamid-Hassi.jpg<br /><br />*<br /><br />http://www.libyaherald.com/2013/02/04/cyrenaica-military-leader-hassi-in-tripoli-hotel-seige/<br />4 February 2013: No official reason for Hassi’s presence in Tripoli has been given although there have been reports that he had come to the capital to talk to about the possible replacement of Chief of Staff Yousef Mangoush and to present himself as a potential successor.<br />hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-77425005012483352372013-02-07T09:46:22.610-08:002013-02-07T09:46:22.610-08:001996 1996: Gaddafi regime murders Khaled al-Farjan...1996 1996: Gaddafi regime murders Khaled al-Farjani <br /><br />Friday 1 April 2011 God willing, they will begin with Ajdabiya and go to Brega and Ras Lanuf," Khaled al-Farjani, a Libyan air force captain fighting with the rebels, told Reuters. <br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/apr/01/libya-uprising-moussa-koussa-defection-live-updates<br />hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-46547479382934049822012-01-22T20:01:19.373-08:002012-01-22T20:01:19.373-08:00Felix pointed out the scene at the very end (1:23)...Felix <a href="http://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2012/01/khamis-brigade-shed-massacre-charred.html?showComment=1327290613255#c2191610799645076729" rel="nofollow">pointed out</a> the scene at the very end (1:23) of this <a href="http://wildfire.gigya.com/wildfire/WidgetPreview.aspx?ut=dBFII5RbVxUc8nBdc3bMDT7hmmrIvgen1wCG_dxqadJhAAWkNZSIhV-1DGKZvwZ0-DQUg5JS8Y61ukrjwOp8p81S9pP6R_BhovjemyHtbA0dAsx-PMuL2zIosIac-rUvj3lTh1WL6rg0IY1bFO3pdiq0GQ8TwM6enbZKtH_hLTWs8vQjDY3Qox9rE89GXwqHqNe-dzUeNkzXJW1m1kZmeyjs5mW28aE8pjH2r5wE0UOneEMnVOB9F8sbv6ZNzRWlJ0ONIbXebAzAZIfKL-ro6A.." rel="nofollow">Global Post video</a> where Dr. Salem al-Farjani is seen giving praise and instructions to a co-conspirator. The same man is desperately crying in <a href="http://www.popo8.com/host/data/20110830/3698405.jpg" rel="nofollow">this photo</a>. Crocodile tears!Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-65230436536346756282012-01-09T02:36:13.990-08:002012-01-09T02:36:13.990-08:00@ felix : what a good catch & observation
t...@ felix : what a good catch & observation <br />this saleh [ for me the man with ban ki moon] seems to have a problem to his upper teeth, while rujib has not closing teeth beneath.<br /><br />and how he fits in : let me gamble saleh = mohamed & rajub = relative living in neighbourhood.<br />the man in the orange sweatshirt is for my feeling also a relative , son of saleh.have no link or proof , just feeling, au contraire of your careful look,think and talk with the other contributors.<br /><br />http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/chainsawmoth/Libyan%20Civil%20War/shedmassacre_Ferjani_OctNov.jpg<br /><br />http://www.viiarchive.com/webgate/thumb.php/00109398.jpg?OGSESSION=3ef6067aa32ce6c1afb56a6b1b9fce2b&UN=MTExMTE=&LANGUAGE=eng_usa&IMAGESIZE=2&CHANNEL=&RENDERSIZE=500&IMAGENUMBER=00109398&WSID=1&STATIC=0hurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-69093545400404278922012-01-08T22:40:20.096-08:002012-01-08T22:40:20.096-08:00(this the "Al Forjani" who appeared at S...(this the "Al Forjani" who appeared at Sirte, comment <a href="http://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2011/10/sirte-massacres-masterlist.html?showComment=1326010885615#comment-c3628927330338380230" rel="nofollow">here</a> at Sirte Massacres {Masterlist})felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-24433489480455131342012-01-08T22:35:21.027-08:002012-01-08T22:35:21.027-08:00@hurriya
Did you catch my comment that the BBC cal...@hurriya<br />Did you catch my comment that the BBC calls Salem <b>Saleh</b> (without further names) and they are good pictures of him. Where does this fit in?felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-24749787649310914332012-01-08T17:59:10.155-08:002012-01-08T17:59:10.155-08:00One man received a death certificate from the Peop...One man received a death certificate from the People’s Leadership Committee on May 24,2009, informing him that his brother Fathi had died. He told Human Rights Watch that herejected the offer of compensation of 120 thousand Dinars as “insufficient” because “theypaid 10 million dollars for Lockerbie victims and they offer us 120,000 Libyan Dinars? Wedon’t want their money, we want the truth and to bury our relatives.”<br />150<br />Saad el Ferjany’s sonSalah was arrested on January 14th, 1989. Since that time Saad el El Ferjany was only able tovisit him once in the first years in Abu Salim and he fears that his son was among thosekilled but has not received any official notification. He told a journalist that “since the Libyanstate refuses to tell us of the fate of our children, we will ask the outside world for our rights...I want to know the fate of my son, and this offer of compensation is unjust<br /><br />One of the main coordinators of the committee, Mohamed Hamil al-Ferjany, who left Libya inMarch 2009 and is currently in the US, told Human Rights Watch that, at the beginning,senior security officials and ministers were engaging with the committee. Security officialsinvited him to Tripoli for consultations for two weeks in February 2009, in which he met withsenior security official Abdallah al-Sanussi and the Secretary of Justice Mostafa Abdeljalil. Itsoon became clear, however, that there was no willingness on the part of the authorities toprosecute any of those responsible for the Abu Salim killings, he said. Since this was anunshakeable demand by the committee, negotiations broke down. “They think they cansolve it through money and that’s enough, so they’ve stopped dealing with the families,” al-Ferjany told Human Rights Watch<br /><br />http://www.scribd.com/doc/56707491/34/Unprecedented-Activism-%E2%80%93-the-Demands-of-the-Familieshurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-77761084478350283422012-01-08T17:04:19.526-08:002012-01-08T17:04:19.526-08:00@Hurriya: Dr, Salem,Abu Salim prison victim:
It w...@Hurriya: Dr, Salem,Abu Salim prison victim:<br /><br />It would require some unusual but possible things between, like an exile somewhere (hints of a French accent in his English?), a family willing to call him dead, etc. It could also be a real victim, or a separate fake identity with lying relatives, later adopted by researcher/activist Dr. Farjani.<br /><br />It would require a slight name change: Saleh to Salem. Sort of odd but possible. <br /><br />And some age fudging. No ages given for each brother, but if we say Saleh/Salem was the oldest, 26 in April 1996, he'd be 41 in April 2011. Dr. Salem was already 43 by Nov. 30. "Ahmed al Farjani" was 42 in late August. <br /><br />Since a name and age similarity are all we had to go on, I'd call that not clear enough to run with at all. But this guy and his connections are just weird enough, I wouldn't rule it out either.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-45526106668574144772012-01-06T14:58:29.501-08:002012-01-06T14:58:29.501-08:00@Hurriya: Hmmm! A Saleh al-Farjani was among the &...@Hurriya: Hmmm! A Saleh al-Farjani was among the "more than 1,700" Dr. Salem al-Farjani, same app. age, wants investigated and seems sure he'll find the bodies for. I've been slow to grasp that idea, but I'll have to see about that soon.... <br /><br />As for "exiles, volunteers, jihadi's, mercs, special forces should have a thread apart"<br /><a href="http://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2011/11/foreign-adventurers.html" rel="nofollow">This post</a> could suffice, I think, for all foreigners who came of choice to help the rebels (but dare not come be a"mercenary"for the other side) and it has some good comments already. This guy might belong, with his English connection.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-36384086633268122502012-01-06T12:30:01.505-08:002012-01-06T12:30:01.505-08:00Did somebody notice that in the vid france 24 last...Did somebody notice that in the vid france 24 lasting 1 minute something the new Khaled wears a white and after a orange shirt? never heard of somebody changing his clothes every half a minute,spending his days there as PR man?hurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-78919999197704496832012-01-06T12:09:30.488-08:002012-01-06T12:09:30.488-08:00@felix : exiles, volunteers, jihadi's, mercs, ...@felix : exiles, volunteers, jihadi's, mercs, special forces should have a thread apart<br /><br />I must say that it hurts to see everybody was totally free and encouraged to come kill in Libiya<br /><br />The tickets from Manchester to Benghazi were very cheap at that time<br /><br />It seems american citizens are allowed to fight/kill abroad<br /><br />Tho not illegal fr Americans to fight in other countries’ wars, cld raise Qs dwn the rd, esp if #NTC forces accused of humn rghts violationshurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-80803261372439054042012-01-06T11:52:51.727-08:002012-01-06T11:52:51.727-08:00what occur as strange to me is : as Khaled and Sal...what occur as strange to me is : as Khaled and Salem died in 1996 in their twenties , they would, if alive , been around fourty years.<br /><br />But now it seems that a Khaled and a Saleem [Saleeh?] pop up in the press.<br /><br />There is always a possibility in the families of before with 10 to 12 children a new born got the same name.<br />But the mentioned Khaled and Saleem are too old for this option.<br /><br />Also it has to be said that Saleem is the fore man of the committee digging up the remains of the Abu Saleem victims. They have been dug up in Subha, Benghazi and two places in Tripoli<br /><br /><br />http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/Mass-grave-of-prisoners-executed-in-1996-found-in-Tripoli-NTC/articleshow/10122616.cms<br /><br />http://empirestrikesblack.com/2011/09/libya-bbc-concocts-mass-grave-story-in-brazen-propaganda-piece/hurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-17527312706338524112012-01-06T11:42:17.729-08:002012-01-06T11:42:17.729-08:00@ caustic : about the man Khaled in
..http://www....@ caustic : about the man Khaled in <br />..http://www.france24.com/fr/20110828-libye-tripoli-cinquantaine-corps-calcines-decouverts-qg-khamis-kadhafi-massacre<br /><br /><br />Mohamed Hamil has 3 BROTHERS : KHALED, SALEH, SANOUSSI HAMIL MOUFTA AL-FARJANI of whom 2 DIED IN THE UPROAR 1996<br /><br />Mohamed Hamil has three brothers who died in<br />custody: Khaled, Saleh and Sanoussi hamil<br />Mouftah al-Farjani. Two died in Abu Salim Prison<br />in 1996 and one in a detention centre in<br />Benghazi. The three – aged between 22 and 26<br />when they were arrested – were held completely<br />cut off from the outside world. The family had<br />to wait until March 2009 for the first official<br />aknowledgement from the authorities that the<br />three had died. No other details were provided<br />http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE19/008/2010/en/25ba2f0d-7ed4-4a88-af29-9b4e5e2db1fe/mde190082010en.pdfhurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-926379747280063062012-01-06T07:58:13.241-08:002012-01-06T07:58:13.241-08:00Agree, don't think Forjani is our guy in the s...Agree, don't think Forjani is our guy in the shed - eyebrows etc. Certainly UK connected I would think, though.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-80140919461966621632012-01-06T04:48:58.825-08:002012-01-06T04:48:58.825-08:00@Hurriya: You know French? "Etat du choc.&quo...@Hurriya: You know French? "Etat du choc." What acool language, sometimes. I was totally guessing above.<br /><br />On the teeth, the caption and the NTCsay that's our Farjani with Moon. No teeth needed.<br /><br />On the non-Dr. Rajub people, also I still say no match. I can't pin down the facial differences, but I sense a different age and energy for each. And the teeth. Nowhere worth posting it on the blog, but I uploaded my comparisons:<br />http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/chainsawmoth/Libyan%20Civil%20War/Forjani.jpg<br /><br />@Felix: Victory or Death, proof to many, all idiots. I've only seen rebels clumsily spray-paint anything, and that's everything they conquer. It's got a nice irony to it, writing that after you've killed the Khamis Brigade. <br /><br />I do think they were there, and that's who was killed, but it could also be, at least in part, random "mercenaries" or even embarrassing rape victims. Hell, fire can erase clothes and flesh, it can also erase gender except to an expert's eye that I doubt these remains will ever pass by. Just a thought I just now had.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-71693036109881985612012-01-05T23:32:12.598-08:002012-01-05T23:32:12.598-08:00By the way, the ?freshly painted? graffiti on the ...By the way, the ?freshly painted? graffiti on the shed wall seen at 0.34 in the France 24 video - perhaps for the benefit of visiting film crews - reads <b>Victory or Death</b> , النصر أو الموت which was the message or the <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14641572" rel="nofollow"><b>audio tape</b></a> which may or may not have come from Colonel Gaddafi on 24 August. More likely not. Actually it was more accurately <b>Death or Victory</b>. And reported by <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8719315/Libya-Col-Gaddafi-vows-death-or-victory.html" rel="nofollow">a Syrian TV station</a> Al Orouba. Take home message: the Khamis brigade must have been here.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-45540477530363533212012-01-05T23:12:01.978-08:002012-01-05T23:12:01.978-08:00@hurrya. That guy in the Sirte video has lived in ...@hurrya. That guy in the Sirte video has lived in England - perhaps the Midlands. Listen when he says "you know what I mean" twice, although he has a strong overseas accent.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-65657073890349211522012-01-05T20:16:43.878-08:002012-01-05T20:16:43.878-08:00Khaled est en état de choc. Il pleure, dans les br...Khaled est en état de choc. Il pleure, dans les bras d'un ami. <br />KHALED CRIES IN THE ARMES OF A FRIEND.NOT WITHOUT REASON , BETWEEN THE BURNED BODIES FOUND ON SATURDAY WERE THE REMAINS OF HIS BROTHER.KIDNAPPED ON 18 JUNEhurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-54113448513247150542012-01-05T19:52:20.621-08:002012-01-05T19:52:20.621-08:00@caustic : he's 2 times in vid France 24 , ch...@caustic : he's 2 times in vid France 24 , check his clothes . Teeth not visible<br />On the stand with ban ki moon also no teeth visiblehurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-1318290722138255052012-01-05T15:28:59.801-08:002012-01-05T15:28:59.801-08:00I'll double-check and post the graphics later,...I'll double-check and post the graphics later, but I don't think it's the same man. His face and beard I'd say <i>could</i> be the same, with some fighting and growing out (seems a bit off, but I couldn't be sure). But the teeth aren't right. Forjani has the top one just right of front darkened, the shed guy doesn't. Not a normal change for two months time. <br /><br />Incidentally, anyone here understand French? He might be claiming to be a survivor. First words might "mon pere [sp]?" "my father." I might hear Kidnapped, Gaddafi brigade, Souq al Juma? If that's it, then he's a claimed relative, not an escapee apparently.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-56755135140650445272012-01-05T14:51:19.711-08:002012-01-05T14:51:19.711-08:00Well, that goes even further. Same basic name, yes...Well, that goes even further. Same basic name, yes, but... not the same guy. <br /><br />Even between the gray bearded guys, one's in Sirte, the other in Tripoli. Two months apart, plenty reason for a fighter anyway to be in both places both times. IF these are the same guy, and I'll have a look now, it's big in some way. <br /><br />And, continuing the raining on parades (it tests a parade nicely), on the name mix-up idea, Dr. Salem could have gone to Sirte - His whereabouts are only known sporadically, late August, late Sept/early Oct. and late Nov. Hmm! Return home end of each month...<br /><br />But they certainly didn't need him. Rebel types have been saying from the outset "we just found it that way, Gaddafi did it." They did it sloppy, and he adds proof, witnesses, photos, which only makes it worse, really.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-71685865559883212352012-01-05T07:01:05.567-08:002012-01-05T07:01:05.567-08:00for my side : this is 3 times same person :
http:...for my side : this is 3 times same person :<br /><br />http://www.france24.com/fr/20110828-libye-tripoli-cinquantaine-corps-calcines-decouverts-qg-khamis-kadhafi-massacre<br />0.20<br /><br />http://www.globalpost.com/video/5678720/location-sirte-falls-libya-looks-future<br />2.11<br /><br />http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/chainsawmoth/Libyan%20Civil%20War/shedmassacre_Ferjani_OctNov.jpghurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-25510796010991467262012-01-05T04:43:03.911-08:002012-01-05T04:43:03.911-08:00@ Hurriya mostly: Interesting tangents, but I thin...@ Hurriya mostly: Interesting tangents, but I think we're going a little overboard on the Farjani name links. Isn't it a pretty common name? <br /><br />But if it matters, we can't forget Nisreen al Farjani/Forgani, "admitted" (in a bizarre story) girl executioner for Gaddafi...Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-91752707459934694082012-01-05T03:52:11.271-08:002012-01-05T03:52:11.271-08:00The missing Sirte video is this Global Post report...The missing Sirte video is this Global Post report with James Foley <br /><a href="http://www.globalpost.com/video/5678720/location-sirte-falls-libya-looks-future" rel="nofollow">Sirte falls, Libya looks to future</a><br /><br />The man is named as <em>Salem Hamed Forjani</em>. He appears in the video at 2.14.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.com