tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post989487688585125252..comments2024-03-18T22:03:28.458-07:00Comments on Monitor on Massacre Marketing: Shed Massacre Witnesses: Abdulatti Musbah Bin-HalimCaustic Logichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-22242694895057810522012-06-09T18:03:24.770-07:002012-06-09T18:03:24.770-07:00Abdul Ati Mosbah ben Halim
Mohamed Ramadan Musta...Abdul Ati Mosbah ben Halim <br /><br />Mohamed Ramadan Mustafa Ben Halim. <br />Names of candidates running individual (independent) from the city of Zliten General of the National Conference : <br />http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=299526753413112&story_fbid=418103981555388<br />فبراير 2011 تعليقاتhurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-91279510583233537112012-04-12T18:02:18.548-07:002012-04-12T18:02:18.548-07:00This gets interesting...
I did a search for "...This gets interesting...<br /><br />I did a search for "-محمد جبران احبيش", which Google translates to <i>Jubran Ahbich</i> or <i>Gibran Ahbich</i> depending on the context. One of the first pages to come up is <a href="https://www.facebook.com/Zliten.Alhora/posts/242054112530454" rel="nofollow">this posting</a> on the Zliten 17 Feb-2011 Facebook page:<br /><br />جزء من شهادة الاخ محمد جبران احبيش احد الناجين من مجزرة اليرموك حول معاناته مع كتائب المقبور.<br /><br />...which translates to:<br /><em>Part from the testimony of the brother (of?) Mohammad Jubran Ahbich, one of the survivors of the massacre on the Yarmouk Brigades buried to his suffering.</em><br /><br />The post links to this video by 17LibyanFree on YouTube:<br />شاب من زليتن يروي قصة معاناته ونجاته من الموت بعد محاولة اعدامه من الكتائب 01<br />A young man from Zliten tells the story of his suffering and death after surviving an attempt execution of battalions<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeMf2Un73zE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeMf2Un73zE</a><br />Uploaded by 17LibyanFree on Dec 20, 2011Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-18314752013462377462012-04-12T16:46:05.788-07:002012-04-12T16:46:05.788-07:00This Facebook page lists a "عصام جبران احبيش&...This <a href="https://www.facebook.com/rabta2011/posts/217276531671409" rel="nofollow">Facebook page</a> lists a "عصام جبران احبيش" from Zliten (transliterated to Essam Gibran Ahbich). He is also <a href="http://lib2012.maktoobblog.com/%D9%83%D8%B4%D9%81-%D8%AD%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%AB-%D8%A7%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%81%D9%82%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%AF/" rel="nofollow">listed here</a> as "missing" and lost at the Yarmouk prison. <br /><br />Is this the same person or a relative?Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-49824138402266720662012-04-12T16:26:02.702-07:002012-04-12T16:26:02.702-07:00I agree that it is very likely that the two were i...I agree that it is very likely that the two were imprisoned somewhere at the Khamis Brigade base or the shed compound and were released around August 23th by whatever happened at the base on that day. It is unlikely that they saw or were involved in any prison massacre – at least they have never testified about it. It would be extremely interesting to hear what they have to say.<br /><br />So far it is only Abdulatti Musbah Haleem and <a href="http://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2011/12/tripoli-massacres-dr-salem-al-farjani.html" rel="nofollow">people connected to him</a>, that speak of a massacre.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-53620500409932570712012-04-12T16:17:53.046-07:002012-04-12T16:17:53.046-07:00Thanks for that pattern assessment. It explains th...Thanks for that pattern assessment. It explains the obscurity of this piece without resorting to suggesting they were embarrassed by it. Should be, but the media know no shame.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-26720314058148676102012-04-12T16:12:08.564-07:002012-04-12T16:12:08.564-07:00"Infected" suggests whole new things... ..."Infected" suggests whole new things... However, isolating the word مصاب just means injured in this case. Infected itself translates over to بالعدوى<br /><br />This might be a good case, however, for bumping the two to the confirmed escapee list.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-61611094545506129662012-04-12T14:36:02.931-07:002012-04-12T14:36:02.931-07:00I tried to find traces of the original Telegraph a...I tried to find traces of the original <i>Telegraph</i> article. It is likely it never appeared in electronic form.<br /><br />The <i>Ottawa Citizen</i> has published a number of articles from the <i>Telegraph</i> on Libya, few of them seem to be on-line. Here is one from August 30th:<br /><a href="http://www.ottawacitizen.com/story_print.html?id=5330144&sponsor=" rel="nofollow">Libyan rebels locate suspect in 1984 murder of British policewoman</a><br /><br />The original is here wit a different title:<br /><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8732090/Libya-suspect-in-killing-of-WPc-Yvonne-Fletcher-found-by-rebel-government.html" rel="nofollow">Libya: suspect in killing of WPc Yvonne Fletcher found by rebel government</a><br /><br />In some case an on-line version of the story is replaced my and updated story, with some of the original material omitted. This does not seem to have happened in this case. There are two articles by Andrew Gilligan available on-line from around this period:<br /> - <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8723352/Libya-Boy-Scouts-on-the-front-line.html" rel="nofollow">Libya: Boy Scouts on the front line</a> – 25 Aug 2011<br /> - <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8727426/Why-the-fall-of-Tripoli-will-not-be-another-Baghdad.html" rel="nofollow">Why the fall of Tripoli will not be another Baghdad</a> – 28 Aug 2011<br /><br />All on-line references to the story are to the version hosted by the <i>Ottawa Citizen</i>. Here are some more references:<br /> - <a href="http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/08/disturbing-trend-tripoli-reports-executions-and-abandoned-bodies/41764/" rel="nofollow">Disturbing Trend in Tripoli: Reports of Executions and Abandoned Bodies</a><br /> - <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4973250" rel="nofollow">Here are two more reports from Thursday</a> – Democratic Underground, Fri Aug-26-11 01:15 AM<br /> - <a href="http://www.opednews.com/Quicklink/Allegation-Children-amon-in-General_News-110826-997.html" rel="nofollow">Allegation: Children 'among 180 slaughtered' by Gaddafi Forces in Tripoli</a> – OpEdNews, August 26, 2011Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-21747798779235673972012-04-12T13:25:52.167-07:002012-04-12T13:25:52.167-07:00The Facebook page also has a list of "prisone...The Facebook page also has a list of "prisoners of the rebels Zliten who have been freed from detention by the tyrant in Tripoli":<br /><a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=204077716321504&set=a.151136328282310.34318.151109951618281&type=1" rel="nofollow">Zliten 17 Feb-2011</a><br /><br />Three names are of particular interests:<br /><br />- محمد عمران احبيش (مصاب وبحالة جيدة في مركز طرابلس الطبي)<br />- احمد حديد (مصاب وبحالة جيدة في مركز طرابلس الطبي)<br />- عبد العاطي مصباح بن حليم (مصاب وبحالة جيدة في مركز طرابلس الطبي)<br /><br />All three are said to be "infected" and in good condition at the Tripoli Medical Center. The names transliterate to:<br /> - Mohammad Imran Ahbich – حمد عمران احبيش <br /> - Ahmed Hadid – احمد حديد <br /> - Abdul Ati Mosbah Ben Halim – عبد العاطي مصباح بن حليم<br /><br />It seems likely the two others were also released from the Khamis shed compound. The <a href="http://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2012/04/shed-massacre-witness-list-re-vamped.html" rel="nofollow">witness list</a> now has a <i> Mohammad Jubran Ahbich</i> as number 2 and a <i>Ahmed Mohamed Hadid </i> as number 16 in the possible escapee list.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-91828992828439148262012-04-12T12:50:44.514-07:002012-04-12T12:50:44.514-07:00His name seems to be Abdul Ati Mosbah bin Halim wh...His name seems to be Abdul Ati Mosbah bin Halim which transliterates to "عبد العاطي مصباح بن حليم". There is one Facebook post in Arabic that uses this for of the name:<br /><a href="https://www.facebook.com/Zliten.Alhora/posts/261865763844180" rel="nofollow">Zliten 17 Feb-2011</a><br /><em>تحقيق صحفي موجود في احد الصفحات مقتبس من صفحة daily record الانجليزية يحتوي على بعض الصور المؤلمة لمجزرة معسكر اليرموك والتي راح ضحيتها عدد كبير من السجناء معظمهم من مدينة زليتن ويحوي التحقيق على شهادة للاخ عبد العاطي مصباح بن حليم احد ابناء مدينة زليتن الذين نجوا من هذه المجزرة حول ما راى من فظائع من قبل كتائب القذافي فيها.</em><br /><br />It also has a link to this whatsonningbo <a href="http://www.whatsonningbo.com/news-4611-150-rebel-corpses-found-in-burned-out-warehouse-in-libya.html" rel="nofollow">page</a>, that again is a copy of this article by Lesley Yarranton and Martin Frick for <i>Sunday Mail</i>, republished by the <i>Daily Record</i><br /><a href="http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2011/08/28/bodies-of-150-rebels-found-torched-in-warehouse-as-colonel-gaddafi-s-carnage-is-revealed-86908-23378452/" rel="nofollow">Bodies of 150 rebels found torched in warehouse as Colonel Gaddafi's carnage is revealed</a><br /><em>Another slaughter took place at the al-Yarmouk military base in the suburbs of Tripoli. One survivor, Abdulatti Musbah Haleem, said Gaddafi troops and African mercenaries attacked 200 prisoners with rifles, machine-guns and hand-grenades.<br /><br />Haleem, 43, said 200 prisoners, including old men and boys, were told on Tuesday they would be freed after Gaddafi's compound was overrun.<br />He said: "The guards told us it was all over and we were going home that day.<br />"One of the guards was from Zliten and I knew him. He said he would unlock the door and all we had to do was undo the latch and then we could escape.<br />"We undid the door. The first of us went out and were met with a hail of bullets."</em><br /><br />This seems to be a direct quote from the original (missing) Gilligan article.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-46725633482705383962012-04-11T08:50:31.473-07:002012-04-11T08:50:31.473-07:00Richard Spencer (Telegraph, 28 Aug) thanks Gilliga...Richard Spencer <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8728597/Libya-last-act-of-bloody-vengeance-by-Khamis-Brigade.html" rel="nofollow">(Telegraph, 28 Aug)</a> thanks Gilligan for bringing his attention to the Khamis shed massacre, via this first witness to emerge, Haleem. Yet Spencer writes:<br /><i>For when the end came, the brigade ran away. "There was not much resistance," said <b>Majid al-Fitouri,</b> one of the rebels who swept into the barracks on Friday night. The defenders fled towards the airport, and then into the heat haze.<br /><br />The residents came out of their houses, and found the shed.</i> <br /><br /><br />Did Gilligan just keep the information to himself for several days? It is not credible. He has some explaining to do.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.com