tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post7635414400608739527..comments2024-03-18T22:03:28.458-07:00Comments on Monitor on Massacre Marketing: Alleged Chlorine Attack in LatamnaCaustic Logichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-77570728100818868902020-04-10T05:21:25.962-07:002020-04-10T05:21:25.962-07:00OPCW has just published a report accusing the Syri...OPCW has just published a report accusing the Syrian government of a chemical attack.<br /><br />https://www.opcw.org/sites/default/files/documents/2020/04/s-1867-2020(e).pdfPetri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-15691115025486706142019-10-06T09:34:24.685-07:002019-10-06T09:34:24.685-07:00Perhaps the burned cylinders are something to do w...Perhaps the burned cylinders are something to do with this<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVZp2kjyMbI<br /><br />Mohammed Kayyal and the White Helmets in orange suits blowing up chlorine cylinders in 2016.<br />Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12749505072348356868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-49993112077090697442019-08-25T22:12:03.071-07:002019-08-25T22:12:03.071-07:00Is there a story for the burnt cylinders with '...Is there a story for the burnt cylinders with 'barrel bomb wheels' shown here?<br /><br />https://youtu.be/D_4rGKGuTc4?t=25<br />https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/1165157431829291009Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-53161898038420477782018-06-23T02:52:23.704-07:002018-06-23T02:52:23.704-07:00One of the arguments is that French intelligence w...One of the arguments is that French intelligence would be aware of opposition groups trying to get or having CWs<br /><br /><a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-france-intellige/french-declassified-intelligence-report-on-syria-gas-attacks-idUSKBN1HL0N1" rel="nofollow">"3 - The French services have no information to support the theory whereby the armed groups in Ghouta would have sought to acquire or have possessed chemical weapons."</a> <br /><br /><a href="https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/170425_-_evaluation_nationale_-_anglais_-_final_cle0dbf47-1.pdf" rel="nofollow">"France has no information confirming the possession of sarin by these groups."</a><br /><br />So considering the supposed all-knowing infallibility of French intelligence, isn't it interesting that the 24th <a href="https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/170425_-_national_evaluation_annex_-_anglais_cle81722e.pdf" rel="nofollow">didn't even appear in their list</a>?Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-86225353723184214552018-06-20T09:56:35.145-07:002018-06-20T09:56:35.145-07:00A (lazy) look at some of the allegations that came...A (lazy) look at some of the allegations that came up in the OPCW FFM interviews:<br /><br />4.9 "These [allegations] included on 24 March (in Ltamenah, Khattab and Qomhane) and on 3 April (in Hobait and Al-Tamanah); all in 2017."<br /><br /><a href="https://twitter.com/MmaGreen/status/845410063988768769" rel="nofollow">Qomhane footage from 24th shows SAA</a> and locals no-one has a gasmask, chemical weapon defense - possible?.. but might be a bit suicidal<br /><br />Khattab on the 24th - really interesting if that is alleged chlorine as <a href="https://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-chlorine-tank-used-on-khattab-in.html" rel="nofollow">we know that cylinder was already there</a>. Even news agencies were in town. Looking on Syria Liveuamap the closest thing to Khattab was <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170324113033/youtube.com/watch?v=lxEuxiON6o8" rel="nofollow">"storming Arzeh"</a>. They may have wanted to drop something on these fighters but they had cameras, Go-Pros, things that would capture any chemical attack<br /><br /><a href="http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Alleged_Chemical_Attacks,_March_25-April_3,_2017#April_3.2C_Habit" rel="nofollow">Hobait is in detail on ALCOS</a> <br />Al-Tamanah- nothing shown and seems a long way north of air strikesAndrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12749505072348356868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-87911720637770006052018-06-19T23:49:15.965-07:002018-06-19T23:49:15.965-07:00The FFM received the soil samples for the 30th as ...<a href="http://undocs.org/S/2017/931" rel="nofollow">The FFM received the soil samples for the 30th</a> as evidence on April 12th with the video of the collection that the OPCW used to identify which chemical bomb consistent bits they were interested in (the video only seems to become evidence months later for some reason). <br /><br />I wonder why WH <a href="https://www.hrw.org/report/2017/05/01/death-chemicals/syrian-governments-widespread-and-systematic-use-chemical-weapons" rel="nofollow">Abd al-Munaf Faraj al-Saleh told HRW</a> on April 8th "they could only find very small pieces of the munition on the ground" - it seems a strange thing to say if the White Helmets have just made a video for the FFM of a entire field full of different remnants?<br /><br />For the record, I think the "similar to water" comment about the crater on the 24th may just refer to it being liquid rather than the liquid's colour.Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-86960350005700045562018-06-16T12:42:05.046-07:002018-06-16T12:42:05.046-07:006.3 for the 24th says "the FFM was able to pl...6.3 for the 24th says "the FFM was able to place witnesses at the site at the time and corroborate their medical assessment". As they have no documentation for anyone at Latamneh, seems logical they would try to find the two victims 'discharged to another facility' from the records there and this is who they interviewed.<br /><br />These two are the unluckiest men in Latamneh it seems, (5.27) "Subjects alleged previous experience with chlorine exposure" <br /><br />Strangely, even the Idlib Health Directorate made a video with people saying the *first* time they were attacked by a plane was on the 30th<br /><br /><a href="https://youtu.be/huhn-4Zbe1c?t=227" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/huhn-4Zbe1c?t=227</a><br /><br />If these two men were transferred and treated, why is it the apparent locals and even the IHD don't seem to know about the sarin on the 24th? <br /><br />Whoever treated them must have known, they had a.. (5.11) "phone consultation with a physician experienced in treating chemical exposure" specifically "for exposure to an organophosphorus chemical" and then the two mildly injured men were (5.23) "transferred to another facility for continued treatment" of said organophosphorus chemical exposure.<br /><br />There is also crater full of bubbling black liquid that burns everyone who goes near.. which is.. not worth photographing or filming. They only have a grand total of three witnesses plus two doctors and the WH who put the soil in a bag. The "agricultural workers" in 5.57 were even still working in the valley the next day but the sarin didn't make anyone else sick.<br /><br />And then the White Helmets produce this soil sample for the OPCW that still has sarin present such a long time later. And matches the Khan Sheikhoun samples. Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12749505072348356868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-44726269589568842022018-06-14T08:36:19.653-07:002018-06-14T08:36:19.653-07:00Then my non-chemist question would be: would it be...Then my non-chemist question would be: would it be unusual to find sarin in a soil sample 332 days later? Or even possible?<br /><br />Another questionable part is 5.31 "due to damage sustained to the medical facility on 25 March 2017, it was not possible to provide these [hospital] records and documentation".. apart from the entrance room the <a href="https://youtu.be/9MCiIMFG1uU?t=117" rel="nofollow">place looks pretty intact</a>, what happened to the records I wonder?<br /> Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12749505072348356868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-70023547509495579942018-06-14T03:01:07.968-07:002018-06-14T03:01:07.968-07:00"During the first interview on 10 April 2017,..."During the first interview on 10 April 2017, the FFM received environmental samples relating to the alleged incident of 25 March 2017 from the interviewee. Further environmental samples were provided on 12 April 2017 and 19 February 2018 by an NGO."<br /><br />This is what they say about the other attack, it has evidence numbers starting with 20170410, 20170412 and 20180219, based on this I think the number indeed indicates the date it was received.Qnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-23781590941953710512018-06-14T02:35:14.464-07:002018-06-14T02:35:14.464-07:00I'd like to read a chemist's take on the r...I'd like to read a chemist's take on the report. <a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/too-late-chemical-weapons-syria/" rel="nofollow">Scientific American</a> in 2013 said "traces of the toxin should linger in the soil for up to 29 weeks." (203 days)<br /><br />"As a result, further environmental samples and remnants of alleged munition parts were received by the FFM team on<br />19 February 2018"<br /><br />For Khan Sheikhoun the JIM said "the fact that sarin reportedly continued to be present at the site of the crater 10 days after the incident, indicate that a large amount of sarin was likely released". "20180219" is the start of the evidence numbers.. this means the sarin positive crater soil samples were only delivered 332 days later? <br /><br />If there is a crater full of "black bubbling liquid" it stands to reason the liquid must have poured out of something relatively intact by or inside the crater. But all they have are "metal fragments"... so someone has run off with whatever contained the sarin again like at Khan SheikhounAndrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12749505072348356868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-78136696470698469382018-06-14T02:25:40.460-07:002018-06-14T02:25:40.460-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12749505072348356868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-85597033726179204572018-06-14T01:48:51.120-07:002018-06-14T01:48:51.120-07:00For some reason they keep finding(or at least Desi...For some reason they keep finding(or at least Designated lab3 do) DIMP everywhere. Qnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-15972918981830115782018-06-13T10:15:47.109-07:002018-06-13T10:15:47.109-07:00Someone at the OPCW "very likely" believ...Someone at the <a href="https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/S_series/2018/en/s-1636-2018_e_.pdf" rel="nofollow">OPCW "very likely" believed in the silly bunker buster cylinder</a> and story then. I give Darwish and the other people involved in these things more credit. <br /><br />The black sarin for the 24th was "bubbling" this time too.."days later". I wonder exactly how many attacks in the same place it would take to convince the fighters there to move to somewhere safe from all those chemical clouds?Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12749505072348356868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-44957210565244123872017-10-11T23:40:24.931-07:002017-10-11T23:40:24.931-07:00Looks to be a different cannister shown by HRW (sa...Looks to be a different cannister shown by HRW (said to be the bunker buster one)? https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/styles/1070w/public/multimedia_images_2017/yellow_gas_cylinder.jpg?itok=HLkDiads<br /><br />Darwish "continued operating until he fell unconscious" http://doctorsindanger.com/dr-ali-darwish-en/ but funnily enough can't find details of what operation he was meant to be doing that meant he couldn't move the patient (orthopaedic surgeon basically in a cave!) or whether anyone thought to just roll the chlorine cannister out of the entrance, maybe try and smother it etc. <br /><br />This says it was "mostly chlorine with a mix of nerve gas" and the operating room was "basement-level", the place was "bustling" <br />http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/12170170-74/doctor-dedicated-to-easing-suffering-of-fellow-syrians<br /><br />Waiting for someone to come up with a dumb theory about Syrian sarin stocks being hidden in chlorine containers...Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-44373310212112694612017-10-10T11:50:35.032-07:002017-10-10T11:50:35.032-07:00Different angle on AJ the next day showing how far...Different angle on AJ the next day showing how far it was from the town (+ couple of other different scenes) https://youtu.be/TwUat45Vg4o?t=224Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-13100718144857035832017-10-10T10:23:43.661-07:002017-10-10T10:23:43.661-07:00Ignore the circle round the truck on the Feb image...Ignore the circle round the truck on the Feb image by the wayAndrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-79662359715536652132017-10-10T10:03:59.172-07:002017-10-10T10:03:59.172-07:00Might be able to work out exactly where they are t...Might be able to work out exactly where they are taking samples from this video<br />https://youtu.be/4ffxy9G-SrQ?t=206<br /><br />Possibly they're taking samples where these vehicle tracks are but not 100% https://imgur.com/Ip4P0bn<br /><br />There are buildings up on the hill in one of the shots so someone good at geolocating will be able to get the exact spot. <br /><br />Can't tell if the dirt has been tipped there from somewhere else.. or see any signs of any conventional attack. Unless they just wanted to gas some plants? https://youtu.be/4ffxy9G-SrQ?t=94<br /><br />Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-89915794181415882032017-10-09T03:40:41.267-07:002017-10-09T03:40:41.267-07:00And Shajul says after that the boy survived, and h...And Shajul says after that the boy survived, and he took over treatment. But I hear he died, same day I thought. Muddled. <br /><br />And re: Latamnah, tanks, chlorine, sarin, there's the March 30 attack. This video seems to show the 3-25 chlorine tank (as if on display) and later, in situ by a road, a different yellow chlorine tank even more twisted and torn open. From this day's attack? Fired from a jet? Nope. Separately, some parts of an improvised device, maybe for the "sarin" that made people hallucinate... Hm. Was SAMS onto something? <br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vIMxgQ0RI8<br /><br />M Kobs geo-locates the apparent sarin device remnants to a spot south of the cave hospital, by a road. https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/917320051463778304Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-92033709653099076212017-10-09T02:51:04.695-07:002017-10-09T02:51:04.695-07:00I see Bellingcat has picked on this attack up rece...I see Bellingcat has picked on this attack up recently. Isn't it amazing that Shajul Islam was claiming this supposed chlorine attack as 'sarin' and that people still believe that a doctor wouldn't take the risk to move a patient away from chlorine when it is an immediate danger.<br /><br />How could the doctor physically carry on the operation when there was enough chlorine in the room to kill him.. the story is completely stupid.Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-89568212595262513542017-03-31T12:38:48.469-07:002017-03-31T12:38:48.469-07:00I'm not sure, he claimed to be in a cave hospi...I'm not sure, he claimed to be in a cave hospital https://twitter.com/DrShajulIslam/status/845043600941600774<br /><br />But he does claim a lot of things. MSF says the hospital was out of service for 3 days so perhaps not- they were waiting for this 'expert' to finish the analysis I suppose! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C73JbHeXUAErUY3.jpg<br />Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-49521465874410381832017-03-31T04:08:54.004-07:002017-03-31T04:08:54.004-07:00No worries - comments do the most good with the su...No worries - comments do the most good with the subject so it can all be seen together, but lots of comments lately on whatever's up top. Fair enough, and good news is there are comments. <br /><br />Mazen was told his number for the same reason he was made to witness scenes right out of the Caesar photos - so he could be released and tell the world, with tears welling over and stuff. <br /><br />I've seen the video now, much of it, took some screen grabs, and have a partial review coming up. Hopefully I'll find a working copy if I need it again. <br /><br />Corpse #320 eh? Otherwise they say branch 215 prisoner #320. http://www.safmcd.com/martyr/view.php?id=4027 <br />Dr. Islam ... jut saw that. On video he says chlorine, in the tweet sarin. Couldn't even tell where (Lattamna? Doesn't seem like a fit. Is this a different episode?) He's doing the Bana thing going through Rowling? Funny. <br />Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-37878602253335074562017-03-30T10:52:37.695-07:002017-03-30T10:52:37.695-07:00Thanks for the reply, sorry for putting comments i...Thanks for the reply, sorry for putting comments in the wrong place, I just wanted to ask someone who has researched it, wasn't sure if anyone would see it. <br /><br />Reading the New Yorker article, I see they've been misleading with the editing and Mazen was given the number just before going to hospital. Doesn't explicitly say what the point of telling him the number was, I can't think of one.<br /><br />The documentary shows the bit of paper given to Ayham's mother when they identified Ayham as "corpse 320" (if translated right) <br /><br />http://imgur.com/a/STKUg<br /><br />I'm not sure if it is new or has anything meaningful. There was also another 'medical report' like the one on page 78 of the HRW report:<br /><br />http://imgur.com/a/TT6jH<br /><br /><br />The documentary was on Youtube but looks like it has been removed. C4 link still works but UK only<br /><br />http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/on-demand/65453-001<br /><br />The chlorine claims seem ridiculous to me but it gave struck-off doctor Shajul Islam a chance to appeal for help with the 'sarin' attack through JK Rowling. Then appeal for donations. While treating the patient that supposedly died the day before? https://twitter.com/DrShajulIslam/status/846469687676416001 Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-52935606801373140852017-03-30T02:30:32.576-07:002017-03-30T02:30:32.576-07:00Hey, Andrew! Off-topic post, but right site anyway...Hey, Andrew! Off-topic post, but right site anyway. I didn't hear about that show ywt, so thanks. Will check it out soon. Mazen Hamada is brought out huh? What a crackpot propagandist. I considered him in some detail, same number already given and considered. It's a weird possible fit considering AF Intel's mostly random numbers. But his story is ridiculous. Lines up with a similar released witness' AF intel #1958. Weird coincidence there.<br />http://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2016/04/witness-assessment-mazen-hamada.html<br /><br />Ayham Ghazoul has documents already shown. Not sure if they're linked here, at ACLOS or where, but I've seen them. (try a search, and they might be with his vdc entry ... nevermind, here:<br />http://www.vdc-sy.info/index.php/en/details/martyrs/55818#.WNzNgKJw9rQ<br />He's one of those rare few with some kind of story and papers. Their stories carry a lot of weight with thousands of anonymous bodies piled on top. I haven't considered his in mass detail, but some. App. didn't post a profile yet. The papers might be real or fake. I'd be skeptical that's even his real mother, but I don't know. After seeing what they say and how, I'll have a better feel.<br /><br />A good example of how documents relate comes with Mahmoud al-Zoubi. Real papers there, I suspect, for Caesar photos victim #1, back on April 29, 2011. That body was clearly handed back, maybe doesn't really belong. His "prisoner #" was app. 7 or 8, meaning unidentified body #, later altered by someone into his hand-over date. <br />http://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2016/05/mahmoud-al-zoubi-caesarphotos-victim.htmlCaustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-79882960669665122202017-03-29T11:25:15.944-07:002017-03-29T11:25:15.944-07:00Sorry if this has already been mentioned, just a q...Sorry if this has already been mentioned, just a question about the numbering of bodies in the "Caesar" photos - the recent 'Syria's Disappeared: The Case Against Assad' documentary had an interview with Mazen Alhummada. He says he was arrested March 2012 and interrogated at Mezze, where he says they use his real name. He claims to then be forced to confess through torture but ends up beaten so badly they send him to Hospital 601 for 5 days. When he arrives at the hospital, the hospital give him a number “1858” – i.e. he had no ‘detainee’ number while being interrogated. Does “1858” fit in with known numbers? He did not die (despite claiming the hospital meant “extermination”!) and was released after 18 months.<br /><br />The documentary also shows the note given to Ayham Ghazzoul’s mother. I’m not sure if this has been shown before somewhere else and she already knew the exact date of his death, but thought it might give a clue as to the genuine system used to document deaths?<br />Andrewnoreply@blogger.com