tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post7011160128915591416..comments2024-03-18T22:03:28.458-07:00Comments on Monitor on Massacre Marketing: On the "Gaddafi's Dead!!!" PartyCaustic Logichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-66543506650574624402012-11-19T03:51:52.556-08:002012-11-19T03:51:52.556-08:00GADDAFI Dossier. Death: many versions and the unsp...GADDAFI Dossier. Death: many versions and the unspoken public "Gold Trail"<br /><br />http://mcc43.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/dossier-gheddafi-la-morte-tante-versioni-pubbliche-e-la-taciuta-pista-delloro/Maria Carla Cantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04797658026982701872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-64922040559571517742012-11-16T16:36:04.584-08:002012-11-16T16:36:04.584-08:00I have always thought the capture of G was somewha...I have always thought the capture of G was somewhat improvised. <br />Came across <a href="http://mcc43.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/dossier-gheddafi-la-morte-tante-versioni-pubbliche-e-la-taciuta-pista-delloro/" rel="nofollow"> this </a> (Italian) that is quite believable and interesting, raising several observations.<br /><br />For me it seemingly explains a lot of weird things; G's convoy seemingly 'arranged?' G appeared quite 'not there' when 'captured' and removed from the 'rat' hole? <br /><br />All these observations seemingly generate my feeling that G was captured a-priori and as the link annotates, was tortured, drugged and then given to the rebels in this state.<br /><br />Again I have wondered why G never used his MANPADS against NATO. <a href="http://mcc43.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/1095/" rel="nofollow"> This </a> link seems to provide an answer.<br /><br />To quote:<br />"But if negotiations fail and the war continues, the "Libyan sovereign" may decide to escalate the conflict by bringing out his arsenal weapons have not used in six months War, as anti-air missiles that could be fired Scud NATO planes. You saw it Tuesday, August 16, when for the first time in the conflict, his army has fired a Scud ground-to-ground from the city of Sirte to the rebels who were trying to enter Brega."<br /><br />It seems to confirm that G thought he could negotiate a cease-fire and if not, escalate the conflict. This is more in his nature (IMHO) than a lot of crap the MSM uses to convince us that G was merely a buffoon.<br /><br />EQWEdward Quentin Waliserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03266260304110634734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-29987524945733082222012-10-17T12:27:56.242-07:002012-10-17T12:27:56.242-07:00From The Guardian:
Militia forces from the Libyan...From <i>The Guardian</i>:<br /><br /><i>Militia forces from the Libyan city of Misrata executed dozens of detainees following the capture and death of Muammar Gaddafi a year ago this week, according to a new report from the group Human Rights Watch.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/17/libya-gaddafi-summary-executions-sirte" rel="nofollow">Libyan militia 'executed 67 detainees'</a><br />Peter Beaumont, The Guardian, Wednesday 17 October 2012Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-37803202039103456492012-03-15T19:23:06.851-07:002012-03-15T19:23:06.851-07:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRTXVclU02Y&fea...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRTXVclU02Y&feature=related<br />الليبي الذي قتل القذافي و أخذ خاتمه و قميصه<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5v9WiLSAL8&feature=related<br />Another person than the one in vid above who comes to sell the clothes and ring of the colonelhurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-6313175275128221372012-03-08T15:22:22.894-08:002012-03-08T15:22:22.894-08:00@ Getty photo's
http://i44.tinypic.com/35bdqb...@ Getty photo's<br /><br />http://i44.tinypic.com/35bdqbp.jpg<br /><br />If you can't see that, it's the metadata beneath the photo, which notes that it's a video grab from a mobile phone of a National Transitional Council (NTC) fighter... but then says that the credit, if anyone uses the image, should go to: "AFP PHOTO/PHILIPPE DESMAZES (Photo credit should read PHILIPPE DESMAZES/AFP/Getty Images)." <br /><br />http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111021/03150316445/who-gets-copyright-photo-beaten-gaddafi-captured-off-cameraphone.shtmlhurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-91924294229194117472012-03-08T14:55:44.797-08:002012-03-08T14:55:44.797-08:00@ Edward : nice photo of the old boys network.
T...@ Edward : nice photo of the old boys network. <br /><br />The clothes of the colonel are a mystery.<br />I think when the murder just came in the media I saw a black and white photo of some clothes spreaded on a small road. Afterwards the photo was<br />unfindable.<br /><br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=7x88aEn3aM8<br />technology used for hunting the colonel<br />The technology used for tracing the colonel<br /><br /><br />http://www.firstpost.com/topic/person/abu-bakr-video-eRt5kL2ahBw-17181-1.html<br />Capture of Abu-Bakr Yunis Jabr's Sons and Gaddafi's Driver <br />Abu Bakr Yunis' Sons have been captured, beaten very badly along Gaddafi's driver, <br />while Abu Bakr Yunis , the father has been found dead near the explosion of the convoy where Gaddafi escaped alive until he ran into the Army of Benghazi Men and wanted to bring him alive to the NTC but the Misrata brigade ran into Gaddafi and beat him. <br />In the Video, The 2 boys are the sons of Abu Bakir Yunis, as you can see that they have taken a very bad beating and the revolutionaries ( most likely from Misrata ... <br /><br /><br /><br />http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2011/10/unexplained-circumstances-of-moatassem.html<br /><br />THE UNEXPLAINED CIRCUMSTANCES [?] OF MOATASSEM [Mutassim] BILLAH GADDAFI'S DEATHhurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-37457377612063357082012-03-08T02:40:43.766-08:002012-03-08T02:40:43.766-08:00Apologies, Forgot. :-)
EQWApologies, <a href="http://aangirfan.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/journalist-paul-conroy-is-mi6-operative.html" rel="nofollow"> Forgot. </a> :-)<br /><br />EQWEdward Quentin Waliserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03266260304110634734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-33972243992943238562012-03-08T02:14:31.042-08:002012-03-08T02:14:31.042-08:00There's something wrong with the video sequenc...There's something wrong with the video sequence of G's assassination? Videos showing him stripped of clothes should have been after beating? But his face has no blood on it, while other videos shows him clothed and bloody? Moreso he gets bloody and is clothed in other videos? (From my slomo I thought he had brown high-heeled boots on, not black? My wrong?) The other video within my post explains the youth with the cast on his leg, alive at first, but dead soon after.<br /><br />My previous post (not linkable?) seems believable in explanation yet a palliative for the Regime.<br /><br />Looking at the layout of the drains it's hard to see what the grenade bounced-off?<br /><br />There is a report G was killed in <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_yuKOZnYro&feature=related" rel="nofollow"> the ambulance. </a> And I have seen other claims it was by a Green soldier relieving G of suffering, and also a last-minute-fight-back from G? Not sure here as G was not really thinking?<br /><br />The other problem everyone has commented on is the arrangement of all the vehicles, like in a car-park?<br /><br />Now here's a bit of 'Conspiracy Theory?'<br /><br />G (possibly) thought Blair & Obama his friends?? If Dave from Martin's Site knew something, G was offered a way out. He had already agreed to cease military action with the West but this wasn't forthcoming? Also there were reports of 'white-flags' on his convoy?<br /><br />When the lead vehicle of the convoy was taken-out by the drone (if true?) G would have been quite confused and, if he had then surrendered to the SAS, known to be there, and they had ordered him to instruct the convoy to assemble and surrender, he would have done so, believing it correct?<br /><br />This would account for the 'car-park' assembly of the convoy?<br /><br />When the Rafaels bombed the sitting targets, the SAS would have taken out anybody escaping, ergo, dead, shot, bodies away from the vehicles?<br /><br />And then, the SAS would have handed G over to the rebels?<br /><br />Not nice such shit, but mentally like Clinton et-al!<br /><br />EQWEdward Quentin Waliserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03266260304110634734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-13496924373108423862012-03-05T08:58:53.784-08:002012-03-05T08:58:53.784-08:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAGQQlkHWhk&fea...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAGQQlkHWhk&feature=related<br />How Gaddafi's convoy was stopped by U.S. drone and French Air force fighter aircraft Mirage 2000 <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdag3dlfW9s&feature=related<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ililAHfkXE0&feature=related<br />Uploaded by bonanza91v on Oct 21, 2011<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEx4ainBNF0<br />Explain in detail the process of killing Gaddafi<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=R8eWq36V9JI<br />area pipes<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=S42a2r6v4aA<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOA9NGT_PK4&feature=endscreen&NR=1<br />EXCLUSIVE New Video of Gaddafi Being Tortured<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb071JpiBSU&feature=related<br />كيف مات القذافي لا تفوتكم<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx9g1gkzhCQ&feature=related<br />the faces of some of Bilah's killershurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-85563022501798980592012-03-04T12:06:09.035-08:002012-03-04T12:06:09.035-08:00THE CLOTHES OF THE COLONEL , MISRATA , SIRTE : WHA...THE CLOTHES OF THE COLONEL , MISRATA , SIRTE : WHAT HAPPENED?<br />http://www.globalpost.com/video/5678720/location-sirte-falls-libya-looks-future<br />khadafi naked MISRATA <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/zaqura1001?feature=watch#p/u/36/knNdwL4Nndo<br />افي عاريا تماما Gaddafi naked SIRTE <br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/libyans-capture-sirte-gaddafis-home-town/2011/10/20/gIQALAmC0L_gallery.html#photo=46<br />An anti-Gaddafi fighter shows the clothes of Moammar Gaddafi near Sirte<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EDTSPSXgy4&feature=related<br />مقتل القذافي شريط لم يعرض من قبلhurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-71480998676378241302012-03-04T09:27:52.659-08:002012-03-04T09:27:52.659-08:00لحظات القبض على القذافي -- الحراس و وزير الدفاع
ht...لحظات القبض على القذافي -- الحراس و وزير الدفاع<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6B5EZimioE&feature=related<br /><br /><br />Gaddafi's Driver<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIbEHS8jJNs&feature=fvwrelhurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-48719590049418901472012-03-03T21:20:07.274-08:002012-03-03T21:20:07.274-08:00The photo gallery of Paul Conroy who is in the new...The photo gallery of <b>Paul Conroy</b> who is in the news in Syria at the moment, of Reflex TV, his own business , includes 50 images of <a href="http://reflextv.webeden.co.uk/#/gaddafi-sirt/4557081288" rel="nofollow"><b>Gaddafi Capture in Sirt</b></a>felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-35703502002995721082012-03-03T20:31:23.000-08:002012-03-03T20:31:23.000-08:00Interesting Reuters explanation of Gadaffi's...Interesting Reuters <a href="http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE82201520120303?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FAFRICATopNews+(News+%2F+AFRICA+%2F+Top+News)&pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true" rel="nofollow"> explanation </a> of Gadaffi's capture, of course if one believes Reuters? I do not like the, 'International crimes against humanity' bit, however. <br /><br />What is acceptable is the sudden change of attitude away from the, 'vile dictator' bit to him wanting to stand and fight. Somewhat benevolent?<br /><br />The hand-grenade bouncy-bit is also interesting in that Gadaffi appears saved by his flak jacket. Grenade must have been quite clever to only 'aim' at the jacket, but thrower and Younis position to Gadaffi not clear?<br />Also Younis appeared to have been shot in a previous video (posted above), and his face showed no signs of being near an exploding grenade?<br /><br />I wonder where they got the info from and it needs to be compared with other data.<br /><br />EQWEdward Quentin Waliserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03266260304110634734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-59729705433082496212012-02-13T11:36:13.383-08:002012-02-13T11:36:13.383-08:00Thanks EQ...some interesting thoughts in the comme...Thanks EQ...some interesting thoughts in the comments there from <b>dave</b>felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-64081440954271255142012-02-13T00:19:09.112-08:002012-02-13T00:19:09.112-08:00Martin Iqbal (empirestrikesblack) has some inter...Martin Iqbal <a href="http://empirestrikesblack.com/2011/10/did-nato-special-forces-assassinate-muammar-gaddafi/" rel="nofollow"> (empirestrikesblack) </a> has some interesting follow-on comments about the way Gadaffi was totally set-up by Clinton et-alia. Worth reading.<br /><br />EQWaliserEdward Quentin Waliserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03266260304110634734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-43472621278974523672012-01-22T04:34:33.682-08:002012-01-22T04:34:33.682-08:00E>Q>, welcome! You spurred me to finally res...E>Q>, welcome! You spurred me to finally respond, to say, "what he said." :)Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-22867834557022737802012-01-22T00:31:16.031-08:002012-01-22T00:31:16.031-08:00If you are sincerely Libyan then my heart is Green...If you are sincerely Libyan then my heart is Green as is yours. If you are from Langley, TwitterGrabbing Industrial Park, or Lego-Land, Vauxhall, UK, then may I return the expletives you textualise, quite vehemently.<br /><br />May the Force, or Farce, former to latter, be with you.<br /><br />E.Q.WaliserEdward Quentin Waliserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03266260304110634734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-2907821579543699682012-01-22T00:15:35.350-08:002012-01-22T00:15:35.350-08:00Felix's comment re Gadaffi shaving below nose ...Felix's comment re Gadaffi shaving below nose has occurred to me for some time.<br />This slomo is very clear and his face can be seen well: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKNvnuYJ-Y8&feature=related&skipcontrinter=1" rel="nofollow"> SloMo </a><br /><br />SAS? is at 20:47 & if so, seems to be stirring things up yet not participating?<br /><br />The ring is missing off Gadaffi's right-hand, but the ring-finger looks bloody as if the ring was removed roughly.<br />The legs-shooting doesn't tie-up with the state of his trousers or his walking ability.<br />There is also a post I've lost claiming, with dated analysis, the capture video was u-tube uploaded the day before the actual capture?<br /><br />This video is interesting as it appears to be at the initial capture: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpBd5ciEgCY&feature=youtu.be&noredirect=1" rel="nofollow"> video </a><br /><br />However, this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YudsOKSdnww&feature=youtu.be&skipcontrinter=1" rel="nofollow"> video </a> shows Younis Jaber here dead and horrendously treated by a rebel.<br /><br />Compared to the second video there are a different number of bodies around and Younis is not there. Also the cables / ropes? seem not to be prevalent in both videos.<br /><br />This <a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=209737049080397&set=a.175801975807238.59178.174244639296305&type=3" rel="nofollow"> image </a> looks realistic but appears to be synthetic from comments. Makes one wonder about a 'set-up?'<br /><br />I have copied videos as things seem to be disappearing at quite a fast rate!<br /><br />My understanding of Gadaffi's capture was that the SAS were monitoring his comms and Saif 'phoned him giving the SAS the location. When the convoy (75 vehicles?) left Sirte a drone targeted the first vehicle and the remainder dispersed randomly. They then set-off in different directions but two French planes engaged them. It also appears Gadaffi's vehicle wasn't targeted specifically.(SAS knew and instructed?)<br /><br />I can find no record of Gadaffi having the 'golden gun' waved around on some videos. It seems the public want him to have such a large calibre one as he is vilified as a, 'Dictator.' <br /><br />There is a record of a <a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=165662686844326&set=a.126565480754047.29431.125869740823621&type=1&ref=nf" rel="nofollow"> gun </a> purported to be his and it is more realistic to his flamboyancy?<br /><br />This whole apparent set-up leads to the question, is <a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=252700038115744&set=a.248540991864982.79494.247926625259752&type=3" rel="nofollow"> this </a> now in Fort Knox?<br /><br />E. Q. WaliserEdward Quentin Waliserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03266260304110634734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-5833771077929527692012-01-10T05:10:29.501-08:002012-01-10T05:10:29.501-08:00@ Anonymous: Wow. All caps.
I don't disagree...@ Anonymous: Wow. All caps. <br /><br />I don't disagree at all of course. But fucked or not, they run things now, absolute justice, as always, impossible, basic facts to deal with. There needs to be, at the least, a much more sane balance. People need to be mentally slapped into waking up. Demonization, exclusion, and endless, an-checked vengeance are not without their consequences, to Libya's tattered soul and to its "peace."Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-7332397619073120242012-01-10T04:57:55.427-08:002012-01-10T04:57:55.427-08:00I SAY , FK YOU WHO SOLD THEY COUNTRY TO WESTERN PU...I SAY , FK YOU WHO SOLD THEY COUNTRY TO WESTERN PUPPETS , FK YOU WHO PUT THE MONARCH FLAG BACK , FK YOU WHO RAPE AND KILL THEY OWN FELLAS , FK YOU SOLD PUPPETS . YOU CANT TAKE THE MONEY WITH YOU IN THE GRAVE !! BUT HOW MANY DID YOU SEND TO DEATH ??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-69870011948799958102011-12-09T03:06:39.548-08:002011-12-09T03:06:39.548-08:00Note on Abdel Basit Haroun (or Abdul Baset/Basset)...Note on Abdel Basit Haroun (or Abdul Baset/Basset):<br /><a href="http://www.presstv.ir/detail/207230.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Islam in the Libyan revolution</b></a>:<br /><i>Another prominent Islamist leader is <b>Abdul Basset Haroun al-Shahaidi,</b> who lived in exile for 21 years because of his opposition to Gaddafi. According to The Washington Post, he has travelled abroad to seek money for security training in Libya. “The Islamic way is not something dangerous or wrong. The West hears “Islamic law” and they think we want to lock our women in boxes,” <b>Shahaidi</b> said. “The Islamic groups want a democratic country, and they want to go to the mosque without being arrested. They are looking for freedom like everyone else.”<br /><br />However, the two most influential Libyan Islamists are probably the <b>Salabi brothers.</b> According to Der Spiegel, “<b>Ismail Salabi</b> commands one of the toughest rebel brigades in Benghazi. His brother <b>Ali,</b> considered one of the country's religious leaders, spent time in Libya prisons in the 1980s for criticizing the Gaddafi's regime. Two decades later, he was <b>recruited by Gaddafi's son Seif al-Islam to help negotiate freedom for imprisoned Islamists who renounced violence, including Belhaj.”</b><br /><br />After the anti-Gaddafi uprising started, Ali travelled back and forth between Libya and Qatar, the Arab nation on the Persian Gulf that supplied the rebels with weapons and trained its fighters.” In those months, Ali emerged as an important figure in the Muslim Brotherhood, one who has contributed to the constitutional charter and is seen as a spiritual leader for some of the fighters. He is also a close associate of the Muslim Brotherhood-linked scholar Yusuf al-Qaradawi. </i> (PressTV , Iran)felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-6333767548619204002011-12-08T16:55:42.699-08:002011-12-08T16:55:42.699-08:00By contrast here is the Telegraph - Ben Farmer, Af...By contrast here is the Telegraph - Ben Farmer, Afghanistan Correspondent (!) in Sirte:<br /><b>10.45am</b> <i>In the early hours of the morning, at least five cars carrying loyalist fighters attempted to escape the city, but most were rounded up and killed by revolutionaries. </i><br /><b>12.06pm</b> <i> Reports that Gaddafi's defence minister Abu Bakr Yunis has been killed. </i><br /><b>12:25</b><i>Foreign news agency AFP are also reporting that Gaddafi has been captured, according to the an NTC commander and Libya TV.</i><br /><b>12:30</b> <i>NTC sources who claim to have seen the wounded Gaddafi say he was captured wearing a Khaki uniform and a turban. </i><br /><br />No mention of activity the previous night as per the Guardian, which was very close to <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/who-are-the-libyan-rebels-in-london-2258289.html" rel="nofollow"><b>UK Libyan Rebels,</b></a> eg. Guma el Gamaty,the UK-based co-ordinator for Libya's National Transitional Counci and friend of Elamin, who tweeted on August 19:<br /><b>Guma_el_gamaty Guma El-Gamaty<br />Has G son Muatassim been really arrested last week in Sirt?! Has the news been deliberately suppressed and why?! All could b revealed soon!<br /></b><br />It was Guma El Gamaty who was also instrumental in putting the official narrative into the public domain via Sky News, as reported by the Guardian:<br /><b>1.20pm:</b> <i><b>Guma el-Gamaty,</b> the former NTC coordinator in the UK, is telling Sky News Gaddafi and his close aides tried to escape and freedom fighters tried to capture them. There was an exchange of fire and reports claim he was killed or injured, Gamaty says. We cannot confirm this.</i><br /><br />1.18pm: <i>An NTC commander, <b>Abdel-Basit Haroun</b>, says Gaddafi was killed when an airstrike hit a convoy trying to flee, according to the Associated Press. We cannot confirm this.</i>felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-10419883260174471212011-12-08T16:27:27.862-08:002011-12-08T16:27:27.862-08:00Just for the record, here is the Guardian,20 Octob...Just for the record, here is the Guardian,20 October 2011:<br /><i>12.07pm: Please treat the following with lots of caution, but the Misrata Military Council is reporting that Gaddafi himself has been arrested.<br /><br />This is not confirmed. In an <b>email</b> the Information Centre for the Misrata Military Council said:<br /><br /> Now in contact with our correspondent at the front of the Sirte. The tyrant Muammar Gaddafi Was arrested. God is great and thank God</i><br /><br />ICMMC not tweeting since August 24, now sending emails!<br /><br /><br /><i><b>1.01pm</b>: My colleague <b>Chris Stephen</b> has seen a statement on the arrest of Gaddafi - which we still cannot confirm - from Misrata military council.<br /><br />The statement said: "The tyrant Muammar Gaddafi Was arrested on by Misurata Thwarr [revolutionary fighters]." It added: "God is great and thank God."<br /><br />Chris writes:<br /><br /> <b>Hassan Elamin,</b> a prominent Libyan exile who has lived for 28 years in the UK and is the editor of the online Libyan newspaper <b>Libya Almostakbal</b> said he had called Misrata today and that <b>Gaddafi was reportedly being held in Misrata,</b> Libya's third largest city. He said the city was in the middle of wild celebrations. "We're still taking in the news," he told the Guardian. "This is a big buzz."<br /><br /> Elamin said Gaddafi was arrested by Misratan units in Sirte <b>late last night</b> and reportedly transported to a secure location in the city and that in the same arrest Gaddafi's former defence minister Abu Bakr Yunis was shot dead.<br /><br /> What happens to Gaddafi now is unclear. Misrata military council is on record as stating that it recognises the authority of the ruling National Transitional Council but does not accept its commands. Earlier this year Misratan war crimes investigators told the Observer they had complied evidence against Gaddafi including documents purportedly showing his forces being ordered to commit war crimes during the siege of Misrata.</i><br /><br />2.48pm: <b>"We cannot confirm his death."</b><br />3.09pm: Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, <b>while not confirming Gaddafi's death....</b><br />3.32pm: <br />3.39pm: In London Libyan charge d'affaires Mahmud Nacua is giving a press conference.<br /><b>He confirmed that Gaddafi is dead.</b><br />3.46pm: <b>David Cameron</b> just made a statement at Downing Street, saying the <b>Libyan government had confirmed that Gaddafi was dead.</b><br /><br /><i>He said we should remember the victims of Lockerbie, PC Yvonne Fletcher, and IRA victims killed with semtex provided by Gaddafi's Libya, as well as all the Libyans killed over the last several months.</i> <br /><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/20/gaddafi-dead-libya?intcmp=239" rel="nofollow"><b> Comment is free<br />Gaddafi is dead. We must now forget him</b></a> - uploaded <b>16.45</b> hrs BST by <b>Alaa al-Ameri</b>,the pen-name of a British-Libyan economist and writer, who wrote <i>"He achieved nothing"</i> (really?)<br /><br /><br />The statement by Elamin needs examination.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-54932078099711852972011-12-08T03:02:17.398-08:002011-12-08T03:02:17.398-08:00Peet -
I am puzzled by Ben Farmer suddenly poppin...Peet - <br />I am puzzled by Ben Farmer suddenly popping up in Sirte for a few weeks from his normal base in Afghanistan. He wrote a piece immediately after the alleged killing, <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8840104/Col-Gaddafi-killed-no-mercy-for-a-merciless-tyrant.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Col Gaddafi killed: no mercy for a merciless tyrant</b></a>.<br /><i>“When we had him and we surrounded him he was talking <b>like an idiot</b>,”said 20-year-old <b>Mohammad Elhweje</b>, who was one of ten fighters from Misurata who captured him. “He was saying, <b>'What’s going on, what did I do?’</b> No one could believe it.” </i> [nor me either]<br /><i>The convoy managed to evade the front line and drive about two miles west and then, for some reason, parked close to an electricity sub station. </i> [don't tell me, they parked up because it was handy for a nearby concrete drain...]<br /><br /><i>“Gaddafi and some of his inner circle tried to run away,” explained <b>Ali Gadi</b>, a 21-year-old member of the unit which found him.<br /></i>[Smart move that, race to freedom across the desert using old Sandhurst training techiques...]<i><br /><br />In the confusion, the convoy had been followed by some rebel fighters from the western front, but they were lightly armed and under-strength.<br /><br />“They stopped out here. It wasn’t clear who was with them and what sort of firepower they had,” said Mr Gadi. “We held back for a while to see what they would do.”<br /><br />Unknown to the rebels, the convoy had not escaped the surveillance of Nato.<br /><br />Just as the rebel brigades were deciding what to do, it was hit by at least one bomb in a Nato air strike, causing devastation among the tightly-packed vehicles. </i> [second perfect timing]<i><br /><br />The Telegraph counted 14 smouldering cars and pick-up trucks and at least 25 dead bodies. </i> [bodies not smouldering in the main]<i><br /><br />Somehow Gaddafi escaped, but his situation had become hopeless</i> [somehow, of course...]<br /><i>He and a handful of others fled north around 200 yards down the main road and sheltered in the drain.</i> [so he only ran away to play hide and seek]<i><br /><br />As members of the al Watan brigade from Misurata approached the smouldering cars, they had no suspicion their former leader was close by.<br /><br />“We thought Mutassim [Gaddafi’s son] might have tried to escape,” said Mr Elhweje. “Then Gaddafi came out. One of our guys grabbed him in a bear hug.”<br /><br />Running on foot and with his baggage smouldering in the destroyed vehicles, Gaddafi was not found with many possessions, but those he was carrying were displayed among the fighters as spoils.<br /><br />One held a gold-plated automatic pistol which he said he had taken from the deposed leader.<br /><br />Another held a dainty-looking man’s black leather boot which he said had been stripped from Gaddafi’s foot. </i><br /><br />So there we have it, the official narrative out in the open within hours.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-75368471031832015742011-12-03T04:24:42.748-08:002011-12-03T04:24:42.748-08:00On Dr. Tika, no opinion. Until I see Muammar resur...On Dr. Tika, no opinion. Until I see Muammar resurface, I'll presume they got him, and any such questions are of secondary value at best.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.com