tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post432851933936981509..comments2024-03-18T22:03:28.458-07:00Comments on Monitor on Massacre Marketing: Khan Sheikhoun Wind Direction: Southwest Fog SpreadCaustic Logichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-76015336341624394122018-04-11T02:57:03.554-07:002018-04-11T02:57:03.554-07:00Alyom part 2 on fog/yellow cloud:
"Ex soldie...Alyom part 2 on fog/yellow cloud:<br /><br />"Ex soldier" Aboud al-Bakri a few streets away, "10 minutes after 'the bomb'" his friend arrives on motorbike, tells him to get dressed (so maybe 15-20 mins to get there?)<br /><br />Timing depends on which 'bomb' they mean but makes most sense that it is the explosion at impact point 3. That would make it around the same time as al-Hussein's "winter fog"<br /><br />"On April 4th all Aboud can see here in the street [at crater] is yellow smoke blocking his view"Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-88242489661643186502018-04-07T02:15:44.411-07:002018-04-07T02:15:44.411-07:00As an aside, I know the rest of the world interest...As an aside, I know the rest of the world interest has moved on to other not-so-effective nerve agents but it doesn't seem like many people from KS showed up to remember the victims (hundreds!).Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-73674967565577620012018-04-06T06:38:41.395-07:002018-04-06T06:38:41.395-07:00Could be - if you believe Hussein actually went th...Could be - if you believe Hussein actually went there of course and not just straight to Al-Rahma. The Ebaa cameraman doesn't seem interested in filming fog and we can say for sure he is putting things on Facebook at 6:57 am. Maybe neither he nor the boy he was with spotted it.<br /><br />Orient News says <a href="https://youtu.be/0hTjsbnCPZs?t=43" rel="nofollow">the activists call it "Yellow Tuesday"</a> and at the event where the White Helmets <a href="https://youtu.be/iqsj-ZfHPNc?t=74" rel="nofollow">watched their own footage but with sad music</a> (are they not allowed to take those helmets off?) the film is <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDoB-t8HegE" rel="nofollow">equally yellow</a> and infographics have yellow clouds added so there seems to be some consensus there at least. A big yellow cloud that is as elusive to cameras as Dr Morad though?Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-37829036048731084272018-04-05T04:47:04.808-07:002018-04-05T04:47:04.808-07:00there is the later yet view from Hussein's PoV...there is the later yet view from Hussein's PoV (I think) showing the smoke plumes dispersing, and some degree of fog or smoke visible at ground level. That would be dumber yet.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-66346804793339539502018-04-05T04:40:28.796-07:002018-04-05T04:40:28.796-07:00Checked the report. They cite Salloum for one nort...Checked the report. They cite Salloum for one north view, but also saw a fog video, when only one is known of, and it's from that same view, not Hussein's (he was the one looking ENE, video used by NYT, I think). So maybe it is a different video, but can't be a different fog episode. There's room for maybe one that day. It has to be the same from another view, which I'd like to see, or the same video. And my analysis remains solar elevation is app. 4-5 deg. higher in that video, for 20-25 min. later than the attack video.<br /><br />Hussein agrees the time it took for fog to form was 20 minutes. "About 20 minutes after the first attack,<br />he said, he was around 200 meters from the bakery at Impact Site 1: “It looked like it was<br />winter, there was so much fog. The gas was one or two meters high, all over the place." But then HRW decides and he would agree, it had also evaporated away within about 12 min. before that, by the time of the second bombing run app. 8 minutes after the sarin drop... and coincidentally has an expanding unexplained white cloud in the middle of where the fog had been densest just 8 minutes earlier, and also 12 minutes later and for a while... total trainwreck there. <br /><br />driving would cause little whip-arounds in the immediate area, no real effect. freeway at rush hour type traffic would cut off spread in one direction, but that won't be happening there. Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-68286561566620623012018-04-05T03:56:33.627-07:002018-04-05T03:56:33.627-07:00They could well have mixed together the Hussein &q...They could well have mixed together the Hussein "white smoke" and the Saloum <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWvDisOxJi0" rel="nofollow">distant fog</a>. The dust cloud could equally be 'fog'.<br /><br />I have been wondering how, assuming the official 'floating downhill' version, traffic driving through a chemical cloud might affect its movement and dispersal? Everything points to the road being open that morning (apart from maybe next to the cater in the few minutes before the small rocks in the road were driven over).<br />Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-37603311992269861872018-04-04T02:29:43.160-07:002018-04-04T02:29:43.160-07:00Good question. The fog story, mentioned, was fairl...Good question. The fog story, mentioned, was fairly important (like a winter fog that stings your eyes, etc.). The fog seen on video, barely mentioned. HRW (right?) said Adham Hussein filmed the fog before the bombs, I think meaning this video (and getting to order and the logic wrong, besides the cameraman ). I should check on that and debunk it somewhere.<br /><br />Otherwise, it's not a central thing, so I could just pass over it. But noticed or not, it's always looked to me like a huge clue.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-19754145704517749082018-04-03T11:41:27.523-07:002018-04-03T11:41:27.523-07:00Maybe a different way to look at it: how integral ...Maybe a different way to look at it: how integral was the fog to selling the sarin story to the press? <br /><br />For the JIM, it seems a video of the aftermath of explosions with a plane sound in the background was the most important evidence. I don't think the FFM or JIM even mention the fog and a localized 'visible chemical fog' in KS itself makes zero sense in the context of people then deciding to run into the cloud.<br /><br />But then the JIM didn't put the flight path, pilot recordings, impact points in KS, plume video timing and SyAAF target co-ordinates together to determine which the plane was actually attacking so perhaps they deemed *everything* unimportant apart from the chemistry.Andrewnoreply@blogger.com