tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post2803940564079956959..comments2024-03-18T22:03:28.458-07:00Comments on Monitor on Massacre Marketing: Khamis Brigade Shed Massacre: The Dead Outside the ShedCaustic Logichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comBlogger99125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-80977508076739575652013-02-26T17:23:31.965-08:002013-02-26T17:23:31.965-08:00not related with the shed , but interesting to see...not related with the shed , but interesting to see @ 0.30 :<br />the use of green rope by a rebel gang<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20u6EY3hcVw&feature=youtu.be<br /><br />hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-80867676440559988282012-05-09T14:33:16.591-07:002012-05-09T14:33:16.591-07:00@ Felix: Good catch, thanks. I relied on the exter...@ Felix: Good catch, thanks. I relied on the exterior image chronology post, which wasn't 100% rigorous. Will update here if not there.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-9868308768965896542012-05-09T14:31:10.069-07:002012-05-09T14:31:10.069-07:00I have her Irish Times article cited above. The tw...I have her Irish Times article cited above. The tweets add little, but more than nothing.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-24303350759038720522012-05-09T07:51:34.649-07:002012-05-09T07:51:34.649-07:00Mary Fitzgerald @MaryFitzgerldIT
Just come from ...<i><b>Mary Fitzgerald @MaryFitzgerldIT</b><br />Just come from where body was found in grounds of concrete factory behind Tripoli HQ of the Khamis Brigade. Body showed signs of mutilation<br />5:17 PM - 5 Sep 11 via web · </i>felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-82664697005594047212012-05-09T00:04:27.391-07:002012-05-09T00:04:27.391-07:00Mary Fitzgerald of the Irish Times (link in main t...Mary Fitzgerald of the Irish Times (link in main text to Septmber 6 article) reported a find outside the compound on September 5: <br /><i><b>MaryFitzgerldIT Mary Fitzgerald</b><br />Body found buried in grounds of Tripoli concrete factory next to where 50+ burnt corpses found last month. Locals suspect more buried there<br />9:15 AM Sep 5th, 2011 </i>felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-71328430956366367592012-05-06T21:22:27.198-07:002012-05-06T21:22:27.198-07:005.46 is the best shot in the Aljwarh video - I...5.46 is the best shot in the Aljwarh video - I'm sure it's Salem. It also looks like Ramsay. But in the meantime, the name Gaddafi has been painted out in red. By the way, (re comment below) I think the body in the box may be from the side room which was burning on the 26th.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-23097592152957728172012-05-06T20:54:20.880-07:002012-05-06T20:54:20.880-07:00Re: the body in the crate. It is clearly visible i...Re: the <b>body in the crate</b>. It is clearly visible in late afternoon of Aug 27, best seen in the still screen shot from <a href="http://www.france24.com/fr/20110828-libye-tripoli-cinquantaine-corps-calcines-decouverts-qg-khamis-kadhafi-massacre" rel="nofollow">France 24</a>, and carefully left overnight for the descent of the press the next day.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-59455606189351160622012-05-06T15:33:59.957-07:002012-05-06T15:33:59.957-07:00The four bodies seen by the New York Times on Sept...The four bodies seen by the New York Times on September 8 and photographed by Moises Saman were in fact exhuming from under the tree in the southeast corner of the shed compound. (<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2011/09/08/world/africa/20110909_LIBYA.html" rel="nofollow">photo1</a>, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2011/09/08/world/africa/20110909_LIBYA-2.html" rel="nofollow">photo2</a>)<br /><br />I do not believe these bodies were buried before August 28th. Most likely they are some from #4 to #11.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-55398561531679052212012-05-06T14:16:56.844-07:002012-05-06T14:16:56.844-07:00@ Petri re: Salem: It's a small group he's...@ Petri re: Salem: It's a small group he's talking to, mostly I think looking like locals or workers. I think this is a bit later in the day after Ramsay left. But I'm not solid on either point.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-40593755770071485652012-05-06T05:02:38.291-07:002012-05-06T05:02:38.291-07:00I just noticed that the morgue guy in the yellow s...I just noticed that the morgue guy in the yellow shirt is also seen in this amateur video I had saved.<br /><br />محرقة جماعية بمنطقة خلة الفرجان<br />(Mass Holocaust in Al Furjan region)<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05KWx4GDPiY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05KWx4GDPiY</a><br />Uploaded by aljwarhFreeMedia17 on Sep 28, 2011<br /><br />Dr. Salim is also seen at 5:36. Is he speaking to Sky News Stuart Ramsay?<br /><br /><br />@Felix: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cLADLAitVI" rel="nofollow">Your link</a> is to the 16:00 broadcast by Sky News. There is also this video from 18:00 with the alternate, later interview with Dr. Salim – filmed, I believe at the same time as this amateur video.<br /><br />مدبحة معسكر خميس الجزء التانيSky News.mpg<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPxMyppw05I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPxMyppw05I</a><br />Uploaded by freelibyano1 on Aug 27, 2011Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-29695661224856497472012-05-04T15:00:51.725-07:002012-05-04T15:00:51.725-07:00http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jp...http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week4/16058171.jpg<br />where are the bodies????<br /><br /> @ 14 .08 ramsay : Ive a suspicion having listen to 1 of the survivors now, he might well have been a soldier who had refused to kill people <br /><br />@ 15.05 : the ICC is the first thing that the gentleman who Ive talked with said in fantastic English : please , get this investigated<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cLADLAitVI<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uElO3wi_NMw&feature=related<br />Sky News joining misrata brigades سكاى نيوز فى رفقة كتائب ثوار مصراته<br />woods near rixos hotel @ 2.36 presenting as happening on Aug 27, 2011?<br /><br />The last enclave in greater Tripoli to fall to the rebels appeared to be Qasr bin Ghashir, which they took early Saturday = 27 aug<br />http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/28/world/la-fg-libya-fighting-20110828hurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-39898368541461764452012-05-04T10:49:01.521-07:002012-05-04T10:49:01.521-07:00@Petri - this is a much better cut of the first Sk...@Petri - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cLADLAitVI" rel="nofollow">this is a much better cut of the first Sky video</a>, thanks to <i>freelibyano1</i>felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-34422479621833914492012-05-04T04:54:32.449-07:002012-05-04T04:54:32.449-07:00...meant to say there are two videos by Sky News....meant to say there are <b>two</b> videos by Sky News.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-55553005170603052532012-05-04T04:53:04.823-07:002012-05-04T04:53:04.823-07:00@Caustic – I just noticed there are videos by Sky ...@Caustic – I just noticed there are videos by Sky News where chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay interviews Dr. Salim. <br /><br />The full story on the Sky News site:<br /> – <a href="http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16057724" rel="nofollow">'Mass Killing' Evidence Found In Libya</a><br /><br />A video on YouTube uploaded by <i>skynews</i>:<br /> - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLPktJPwAI0" rel="nofollow">Sky News Shown Mass Grave In Tripoli - Up To 150 Reportedly Massacred</a><br /><br />The scene is only seen on the YouTube video. The quality is however so bad it is difficult to see what is and what isn't on the truck. I think the bodies are there.<br /><br />It is strange how the truck mysteriously appears behind Ramsay. It must be that parts of the interview were shot in reverse order.<br /><br />A similar blue truck is also seen parked in the background in the other (later) video, this time with its sides folded up.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-86678856502918555942012-05-04T04:01:54.178-07:002012-05-04T04:01:54.178-07:00Yeah, it's not very well explored. Not much th...Yeah, it's not very well explored. Not much there really was. The smell served to get them in and out. Get a "witness" account, dramatic footage, and scram. <br /><br />The lower right is just a crop from the view at lower left, so RT Arabic. Upper right is Balint.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-65216219403726978452012-05-03T22:24:31.078-07:002012-05-03T22:24:31.078-07:00The body in the box, #11 is crazy. Even crazier is...The body in the box, #11 is crazy. Even crazier is the almsot total lack of interest in it from journalists, photographers and camera crews. Why? [what's the source for the bottom right screensave)felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-4155692628576589322012-05-02T15:06:18.704-07:002012-05-02T15:06:18.704-07:00IS that the same guy? Yeah, I think so without dou...IS that the same guy? Yeah, I think so without double-checking. But the bed is empty. I apparently dropped them off, came back for more (?), came to the same basic spot, and left empty. The same truck is sitting there a while with no bodies, just a stretcher maybe and some fabric. Strange.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-41306134864201936962012-05-02T13:18:21.145-07:002012-05-02T13:18:21.145-07:00I just noticed that bodies #1, #2, and #3 are in f...I just noticed that bodies #1, #2, and #3 are in fact seen in the Sky News video. The flatbed truck and the Black cleanup worker in the yellow shirt are seen driving away in the background at the very end of the video.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-2862041867888558572012-05-01T14:46:42.276-07:002012-05-01T14:46:42.276-07:00It was body #4, and I got a nice image from stitch...It was body #4, and I got a nice image from stitching. That's some leg wound.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-57447454658699716722012-04-30T17:08:44.095-07:002012-04-30T17:08:44.095-07:00Oh man, forgot about that. Briefly uncovered, some...Oh man, forgot about that. Briefly uncovered, some new detail on the legs. Might take a few still and stitching, but I have the stills now. Thanks for the tip.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-26673973930788093312012-04-30T07:08:12.404-07:002012-04-30T07:08:12.404-07:00Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ45gA_d-FI&a...Link: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ45gA_d-FI&t=0m21s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ45gA_d-FI&t=0m21s</a>felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-66002683885086912092012-04-30T07:06:15.472-07:002012-04-30T07:06:15.472-07:00@Adam I think it is important to do a screen sav...@Adam I think it is important to do a screen save and upload at <a href="javascript:void(0);" rel="nofollow">0.22 in the TVE1 Spanish Video</a>, showing a completely different arrangement of #5 as noted originally by Hurriya.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-50396143364138502252012-04-30T04:00:37.787-07:002012-04-30T04:00:37.787-07:00A re-write makes comments become outdated, but kee...A re-write makes comments become outdated, but keeping it all in the same spot is worth it. <br /><br />Fair points, but I already made the plates... it helps open and close on burning (as just noted) for nice symmetry, and a bang you can't recover from. We can see the throat slice as well as the efforts to hide it. Amazing. <br /><br />And arguably, it's the action bodies that are the anomaly from those clearly pinned down, tortured, and executed. They're definitely interesting, of course, and I'm not sure I fully appreciate how just yet. ANyway, they're #2 and 3 despite the relative lack of shock value.<br /><br />Will consider re-sizing the graphic or some half-measure to make the full impact more optional.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-64695969160024851012012-04-30T03:53:54.893-07:002012-04-30T03:53:54.893-07:00I've seen that and have it saved, just haven&#...I've seen that and have it saved, just haven't done anything with it. More awfulness the Gaadafi regime is only capable of when they share a space with rebel fighters, as they :lose their grip on power."Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-73635259140494489452012-04-30T01:17:45.993-07:002012-04-30T01:17:45.993-07:00First comment after complete rewrite:
I would num...First comment after complete rewrite:<br /><br />I would numbered the victims differently, making #1: "The Man in the Truck" number #3 and putting #2: "The Crawler" and #3: "The Runner" first. This would make the numbering contrary to the estimated time of death, with those killed killed last getting the lowest numbers.<br /><br />I think we should emphasize "The Crawler" and "The Runner" as thy are central to the "massacre" fable. "The Man in the Truck" is more like and anomaly, putting him first distracts from the issue. Besides, his burnt face is a bit too graphic to be at the start of the post.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.com