tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post2290250352709247968..comments2024-03-18T22:03:28.458-07:00Comments on Monitor on Massacre Marketing: Khamis Brigade Shed Massacre: The Hole in the WallCaustic Logichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-13408243664719579262012-03-30T05:24:29.373-07:002012-03-30T05:24:29.373-07:00Came here to respond finally to Petri, questioning...Came here to respond finally to Petri, questioning how great an escape the hole really would be. A little late in the game, I'm taking the chance to challenge and correct or strengthen an important point. <br /><br />The issue gets odder when I realize two guys listed above, "Omar," and Bashir el-Sedik/ el-Sideq is apparently the same as "Omar." Same 95 days detention, accusation of helping people flee to Tunisia, same Aug. 22 massacre. Differences: One crawled out the hole,the other did everything else through it but rushed the doors with the rest to escape. <br /><br />explained better later, but there, anyone want to ponder on that for further thoughts?Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-7777189572761081332012-03-16T18:11:17.120-07:002012-03-16T18:11:17.120-07:00@ felix : it's just gone in the "what hap...@ felix : it's just gone in the "what happened" vid ?<br />In this vid the presentator claims that he was hanged every day on the iron structure and beaten .<br /><br />maybe an electric moveable roof?hurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-84932333567881454152012-03-16T16:21:32.972-07:002012-03-16T16:21:32.972-07:00What was the original roof covering here between s...What was the original roof covering here between shed and guardhouse - was it temporary to provide shelter for African migrants sleeping? It is gone here.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-6439398638329680122012-02-16T19:17:32.596-08:002012-02-16T19:17:32.596-08:00http://blog.joinsmsn.com/usr/t/on/tony4328/1109/4e...http://blog.joinsmsn.com/usr/t/on/tony4328/1109/4e6fe51b30f12.jpg<br /><br />is there any similarity between these 2 guys?<br /><br />http://i40.tinypic.com/2pqtk7d.jpghurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-81546229484686730822012-02-16T19:16:02.992-08:002012-02-16T19:16:02.992-08:00@caustic : is this the link you can't find any...@caustic : is this the link you can't find anymore :<br /><br />11:59PM BST 24 Aug 2011<br />06:15 The Information Center For Misurata Military Council claim to have found 140 bodies in a Tripoli prison. They claim the prisoners were killed by grenades thrown into their cells. So far 13 bodies have been recovered. <br /><br />http://i44.tinypic.com/72dan7.jpg<br />http://i42.tinypic.com/2ry0q36.jpg<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8721573/Libya-August-24-as-it-happened.htmlhurriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-78930979542406795322012-02-16T03:59:11.602-08:002012-02-16T03:59:11.602-08:00No time to add to the post now, but another hole e...No time to add to the post now, but another hole escapee with a better version in one sense. From <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIOUO5GwknM" rel="nofollow">the video what happened at Yarmouk</a>, subtitles ("CC") on.<br />3:56, the host says: <br /><i>I was one of the people who crawled out through this opening. (pointing, from outside) We went out through this opening, went to the wall and jumped down.</i><br />End of story, sounds like. They had escaped. No running around inside the walls getting shot more. Why didn't they do that before? Throwing both Omar and Haleem under the bus, he said:<br /><i>This was the only opening created, <b>as a result of the shaking after the grenades were thrown in</b>, this was the only opening created, the only bricks that fell.</i><br />!!!Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-11139301363734387172012-02-16T03:48:14.637-08:002012-02-16T03:48:14.637-08:00Sweet, it goes so early on the 26th it's dated...Sweet, it goes so early on the 26th it's dated the 25th. The Hilsum report, I changed that based on <a href="http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/world/july-dec11/libya_08-25.html" rel="nofollow">the PBS posting</a>, with transcript, which says air date Aug. 25. Now I wonder where Igot August26 from. <br /><br />Haleem had the location right, unlike el Goula, the Misrata military e-mails, and Mletga. But he has this wacked set of high numbers and a door-free escape of 30 people out the hole, half of them killed while running all around the compound. That's really stupid, like Mohammed Bashir times ten, now that I think about it again. Out the hole means out the compound, and his story really doesn't add up. <br /><br />JB, noted.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-54916728584149092832012-02-15T18:54:35.254-08:002012-02-15T18:54:35.254-08:00pinboy3niner put up both the Gilligan and Hilsum s...<b>pinboy3niner</b> put up both the Gilligan and Hilsum stories at 02.15 on 26 August at <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4973250" rel="nofollow">Democratic Underground</a>. The Gilligan piece is dated 25 Aug, the Hilsum Al Goula piece undated. DU is Eastern Time, GMT-5. Both must refer to the 25th. No trace of the Gilligan piece on the DT website. The <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8726492/Libya-as-it-happened-August-26.html" rel="nofollow">Daily Telegraph Libya as it happened Blog </a> is very confused on the 26th - suggests Gilligan has the story of the 180, but the link is to the Okok story (see below). The "Libya as it happened" 25 and 24 August has nothing relating to the story.<br /><br /><br />BTW check out independent Candadian journo, <b>John Bosnitch</b> in a comment below <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/26/gadhafi-forces-massacre-detainees-two-sites/#.TlfsTHc9SiM.twitter" rel="nofollow">this Washington Times article from 26 Aug</a> on Okok & Co. He could see through the nonsense there.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-32050038931151331792012-02-15T16:21:39.286-08:002012-02-15T16:21:39.286-08:00Odd, I can't find the Telegraph posting either...Odd, I can't find the Telegraph posting either. Need to be sure I've saved this. I kind of wanted to see when in the day it was posted, since it goes back to the 26th. I hadn't noticed that before, makes it special interest. Numbers, locations, etc. get kind of weird. <br /><br />The cement buyer aspect might be a clue of sorts. I don't know what...Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-55430512929353480922012-02-15T06:41:38.040-08:002012-02-15T06:41:38.040-08:00The story of Abdulatti Musbah Haleem, a cement buy...The story of Abdulatti Musbah Haleem, a <b>cement buyer</b> from <b>Zliten</b>,as told to <b>Andrew Gilligan</b> of the Daily Telegraph on 26 August 2011, is no longer at the Ottawa Citizen Canadian site, as per witness list post, but is preserved at the <a href="http://feb17.info/news/children-among-180-slaughtered-in-tripoli/" rel="nofollow">Feb 17th Youth Movement site</a> <br />Cement buyer, Zliten....mmmmmfelixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-47605511181994815332012-01-18T15:55:01.717-08:002012-01-18T15:55:01.717-08:00Naturally there must be some part of the locks and...Naturally there must be <em>some</em> part of the locks and latches that are operated from the outside – otherwise no one could get in.<br /><br />The smaller door is open on August 27th and folded against inside of the left-hand side door. There is a latch that would be operated from the outside. There does not seem to be any place to attach a padlock. The main latch on the door is however operated from the inside.<br /><br />In the condition the door is on August 27th it would most likely be impossible to lock or even close it properly. The right-hand side is obstructed by the tin roof. This could however be the result of a partial collapse of roof as a result of the fire.<br /><br />***<br /><br />It is likely the walled "pens" on the western wall were built at the same time as the outer wall was raised by four or five layers of brick. In satellite images the pens only appear in early 2011, at the same time the compound has acquired its new "security" related use. I have no idea of what their intended use is. Part of the walls have already been knocked down.<br /><br />On the inside there is a half-finished steel wire fence. Some of the green steel netting is seen on top of the black victim in the pen. The fence could be used for caging animals - if it was properly finished.<br /><br />***<br /><br />Given the steel doors, the extra wall tiles, and the workmanship it is evident that the Khamis Brigade – or who ever was running the place – had all the material resources needed to make the "prison" more secure – if they wanted to.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-43953592950417787442012-01-18T14:49:43.558-08:002012-01-18T14:49:43.558-08:00@ Petri "There are no locks or latches attach...@ Petri "There are no locks or latches attached to the outside of the door."<br /><br />That's fascinating. I'll have to look into that and make a graphic. Sounds like a very important consideration in this "minimum security" lock-up.Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-60698092929233114932012-01-18T14:05:28.085-08:002012-01-18T14:05:28.085-08:00The smaller chamber of the shed has no door at all...The smaller chamber of the shed has no door at all. Still there are charred bodies inside. Were these too "prisoners?"Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-22279812345479299892012-01-18T11:37:21.155-08:002012-01-18T11:37:21.155-08:00It is notable that the shed door has no look, not ...It is notable that the shed door has no look, not even a latch to attach one to.<br /><br />There is a set of five or six new high quality steel doors leaning against the outer wall. They have double latches with holes for padlocks. There is not a door frame on site, where these doors would fit. Some future expansion maybe?<br /><br />The double door in the large chamber of the shed has two latches on the <em>inside</em> of the door. One latch attaches the small door to the surrounding larger door (east, left, when viewed from the inside). Another latch prevents the right-hand door from being opened if the left-hand door is closed. The whole complex is held closed by a small vertical latch that extends from the left-hand door to some hole in the ground.<br /><br />The outside of the door is shown in this Russia Today video:<br />53 Libyan Civilians Gunned Down and Burned by Gaddafi, Tripoli (Libya) Aug. 26, 2011 طرابلس<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLPNu9NQN9Y" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLPNu9NQN9Y</a><br /><br />There are no locks or latches attached to the outside of the door.<br /><br />***<br /><br />Overall the shed would be totally unsuited for holding live animals, let alone people. Lack of water is one problem, lack of sanitation is another. Note however that the shed has some kind of sewer. There is a plastic sewer pipe built from multiple parts that passes under the door and extends for over a meter outside. There is however no sign that any sewage ever passed through the pipe.<br /><br />Note also that the gap under the door is almost big enough for someone to escape.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7091580307813686433.post-42164210471959810002012-01-17T17:14:59.754-08:002012-01-17T17:14:59.754-08:00The hole follows a familiar pattern: "survivo...The hole follows a familiar pattern: "survivors" see something in the shed or on the site and integrate it into their testimony. One survivor allegedly threw a fire extinguisher at a guard. The <a href="http://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2012/01/tripoli-massacres-phr-shed-massacre.html" rel="nofollow">PHR Report</a> claims that the burnt out air compressor in the shed is the fire extinguisher. They are totally wrong: the fire extinguisher is seen outside the shed, on the left side of the door. See for example this <a href="http://viiphoto.wg.picturemaxx.com/id/00109399" rel="nofollow">this photo</a> by Seamus Murphy. (right behind the V in the watermark VII)Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.com